Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Omaha Steve

(107,324 posts)
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 10:38 AM Feb 2022

China says Taiwan is 'not Ukraine' as island raises alert level

Source: Reuters

BEIJING/TAIPEI, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Taiwan is "not Ukraine" and has always been an inalienable part of China, China's foreign ministry said on Wednesday, as Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen called for the island to beef up vigilance on military activities in response to the crisis.

The comments come after British Prime Minister Boris Johnson flagged the risk for Taiwan in a warning last week about the damaging worldwide consequences if Western nations failed to fulfil their promises to support Ukraine's independence.

China, which claims Taiwan as its own territory, has stepped up military activity near the self-governing island over the past two years, though Taiwan has reported no recent unusual manoeuvres by Chinese forces as tension over Ukraine has spiked.

Speaking in Beijing, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying dismissed any link between the issues of Ukraine and Taiwan.


Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-says-must-raise-alertness-over-ukraine-crisis-2022-02-23/



Thanks to JHB for this toon.

23 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
China says Taiwan is 'not Ukraine' as island raises alert level (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2022 OP
China is lying. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #1
That's China's plan, but I don't agree a return to China is inevitable. Martin68 Feb 2022 #6
China's goal is to be a global superpower. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #7
China is using the arguments against Putin to their advantage. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #9
It's a weak argument to insist that Ukraine is an in independent country but Taiwan is not. Martin68 Feb 2022 #10
I hope you are right. But China and Russia are aiming for a global power shift. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #12
Yes they are. Many observers think Russia, in particular, is making a huge mistake. Martin68 Feb 2022 #18
Russia is making a mistake only if it loses. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #19
Consider China's position: they've invested a lot to gain allies and influence using economic and Martin68 Feb 2022 #20
Think about China's mindset: Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #21
All you gain through soft power is lost once you show your true colors. That's the point. Martin68 Feb 2022 #23
Interesting... EarlG Feb 2022 #2
Partially so, I think Tom Rinaldo Feb 2022 #3
That's the way I read it BeyondGeography Feb 2022 #4
if china halts trade to russis, which amounted over a 100 billion last year... Javaman Feb 2022 #8
I don't think China is going to do anything like that EarlG Feb 2022 #13
I believe China is saying, "But Taiwan is different." Not very supportive of Putin after all. Martin68 Feb 2022 #11
I'm thinking they will go the other way with the logic Sapient Donkey Feb 2022 #17
"Taiwan...has always been an inalienable part of China." Tell that to the Taiwanese Martin68 Feb 2022 #5
True that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #14
China should invade Siberia... AntiFascist Feb 2022 #15
How long did the PRC/CCP have control over Taiwan? Sapient Donkey Feb 2022 #16
Only to a googlepex of significant figures. Igel Feb 2022 #22

Irish_Dem

(76,127 posts)
1. China is lying.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 10:41 AM
Feb 2022

China will get Taiwan sooner or later.

And they are closely watching how the Ukraine situation works out.

Irish_Dem

(76,127 posts)
7. China's goal is to be a global superpower.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 11:26 AM
Feb 2022

To do so it must demonstrate regional power and control.
So it must get Taiwan back for that purpose.

On an emotional level, China feels Taiwan is a province stolen from them. And they want it back. And they could do it quickly before the US has time to get involved.

China has greatly built up its military forces and could take back Taiwan at some point.

The global powers are shifting. The western democracies are greatly weakened and Russia and China are making their moves.

Irish_Dem

(76,127 posts)
9. China is using the arguments against Putin to their advantage.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 12:19 PM
Feb 2022

Laying the ground work for their invasion of Taiwan.

Martin68

(26,544 posts)
10. It's a weak argument to insist that Ukraine is an in independent country but Taiwan is not.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 02:07 PM
Feb 2022

The West is not as weak as you suggest. Russia is very vulnerable to economic sanctions and China faces numerous potential domestic crises. China's plan to dominate the China Sea has not worked out very well in spite of the small bases they have established on hastily constructed "islands" off the shores of neighboring countries.

Irish_Dem

(76,127 posts)
12. I hope you are right. But China and Russia are aiming for a global power shift.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 02:22 PM
Feb 2022

And are willing to take action to claim global superiority.

China will get there, Russia I don't know about.

Martin68

(26,544 posts)
18. Yes they are. Many observers think Russia, in particular, is making a huge mistake.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:13 PM
Feb 2022

China is a bigger question mark.

Irish_Dem

(76,127 posts)
19. Russia is making a mistake only if it loses.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:27 PM
Feb 2022

And we are still in the beginning act of Russia's playbook.

China wins either way. It ether learns from Russia's mistakes or builds upon Russia's wins.

Martin68

(26,544 posts)
20. Consider China's position: they've invested a lot to gain allies and influence using economic and
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:35 PM
Feb 2022

"soft power," but if they invade Taiwan, that investment will be for nought. Particularly after what they've done in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Hong Kong. China studied the aftermath of the USSR's demise, hoping to avoid a similar debacle. Now they are keeping a calculated distance from Putin by declaring that Taiwan is different from Ukraine.

Irish_Dem

(76,127 posts)
21. Think about China's mindset:
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:46 PM
Feb 2022

The only reason to accrue so much soft power is to allow for hard power to be used, to get the things it really wants.

What is the point of having capital if you don't spend it at some point?

If they are going to be a global superpower they will have to make a big show of force.

Yes their current stance is about distancing from Russia but also laying the groundwork for taking Taiwan. It is their territory, stolen from them.
So they will say.



Martin68

(26,544 posts)
23. All you gain through soft power is lost once you show your true colors. That's the point.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 08:01 PM
Feb 2022

China can't have their cake and eat it too.

EarlG

(23,208 posts)
2. Interesting...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 10:46 AM
Feb 2022

Of course China continues to claim that Taiwan is an "an inalienable part of China" because that's been their position all along. But by stating that Taiwan and Ukraine are different, they're implying that Ukraine is not an inalienable part of Russia -- in other words, they are not supporting Putin's land grab. Is that the implication here?

Tom Rinaldo

(23,165 posts)
3. Partially so, I think
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 11:00 AM
Feb 2022

It would definitely seem that China rejects the Russian claim that Ukraine is not a fully sovereign nation. However there can be other rationals advanced for why one nation sends forces into another, other than rejecting their claim of independent sovereignty. This Chinese statement is silent on whether or not Russian claims of genocide against Russian speakers inside Ukraine have any merit, for example.

BeyondGeography

(40,697 posts)
4. That's the way I read it
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 11:02 AM
Feb 2022

It also sounds like a pre-sell for a more supportive global reaction. Good luck with that.

Javaman

(64,637 posts)
8. if china halts trade to russis, which amounted over a 100 billion last year...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 11:59 AM
Feb 2022

then I will believe them. until that time, this is just more of their spin that they have always put on their belief that Taiwan has always been part of china

EarlG

(23,208 posts)
13. I don't think China is going to do anything like that
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 02:39 PM
Feb 2022

I doubt they want to be seen doing much at all. But it seems like by saying, "Ukraine is different, because our claim to Taiwan is legitimate," that's a subtle indication that they are not going to publicly back the Russian invasion. Which is probably the best we can hope for at this point.

Martin68

(26,544 posts)
11. I believe China is saying, "But Taiwan is different." Not very supportive of Putin after all.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 02:08 PM
Feb 2022

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
17. I'm thinking they will go the other way with the logic
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:58 PM
Feb 2022

Saying that Taiwan is not like the eastern parts of Ukraine in which the people of the region can decide to separate from Ukraine and ultimately join Russia. Basically that what is good for Russia over there doesn't apply to China and Taiwan. I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that's where it's going.

Martin68

(26,544 posts)
5. "Taiwan...has always been an inalienable part of China." Tell that to the Taiwanese
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 11:17 AM
Feb 2022

indigenous peoples.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(129,649 posts)
14. True that
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:51 PM
Feb 2022

China never gave a shit about Taiwan till Portugal and I think Spain established colonies there.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
16. How long did the PRC/CCP have control over Taiwan?
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:50 PM
Feb 2022

If I am doing my math correctly, then I think the answer comes out to be zero.

Igel

(37,138 posts)
22. Only to a googlepex of significant figures.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 07:09 PM
Feb 2022

So Xi would say there's a lot of room for error, objectively speaking.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»China says Taiwan is 'not...