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highplainsdem

(54,665 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:07 AM 6 hrs ago

NASA, Yale, and Stanford Scientists Consider 'Scientific Exile,' French University Says

Source: 404 Media

Last week, Aix Marseille University, France’s largest university, invited American scientists who believe their work is at risk of being censored by Donald Trump administration’s anti-science policies to continue their research in France. Today, the university announced that it is already seeing great interest from scientists at NASA, Yale, Stanford, and other American schools and government agencies, and that it wants to expand the program to other schools and European countries to absorb all the researchers who want to leave the United States.

“We are witnessing a new brain drain,” Éric Berton, Aix Marseille University’s president, said in a press release. “We will do everything in our power to help as many scientists as possible continue their research. However, we cannot meet all demands on our own. The Ministry of Education and Research is fully supporting and assisting us in this effort, which is intended to expand at both national and European levels.”

The press release from the university claims that researchers from Stanford, Yale, NASA, the National Institute of Health, George Washington University, “and about 15 other prestigious institutions," are now considering “scientific exile.” More than 40 American scientists have expressed interest in the program, it said. Their key research areas are “health (LGBT+ medicine, epidemiology, infectious diseases, inequalities, immunology, etc.), environment and climate change (natural disaster management, greenhouse gases, social impact, artificial intelligence), humanities and social sciences (communication, psychology, history, cultural heritage), astrophysics.”

“The current Executive Orders have led to a termination of one of my research grants. While it was not a lot of money, it was a high profile, large national study,” one researcher who has reached out to Aix Marseille University in order to take advantage of the program told me. 404 Media granted the researcher anonymity because speaking about the program might jeopardize their current position at a leading American university. “While I have not had to lay off staff as a result of that particular cancellation, I will have to lay off staff if additional projects are terminated. Everything I focus on is now a banned word.”

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Read more: https://www.404media.co/nasa-yale-and-stanford-scientists-consider-scientific-exile-french-university-says/



It's a fairly small program at this point, offering to fund 15 scientists with 15 million euros, offering help to the scientists and their families with "employment, housing, school access, transportation, and visas."

The program's called "Safe Place for Science" - and how shameful that with the Trump thugocracy, the US is no longer as safe a place for science as it was just two months ago.
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NASA, Yale, and Stanford Scientists Consider 'Scientific Exile,' French University Says (Original Post) highplainsdem 6 hrs ago OP
Wouldn't you? no_hypocrisy 6 hrs ago #1
I'd definitely consider it if I was a scientist whose work was in jeopardy here. highplainsdem 6 hrs ago #2
In a heartbeat. ❤️ littlemissmartypants 4 hrs ago #10
The United States of America are being hollowed out bucolic_frolic 6 hrs ago #3
As a side note; DENVERPOPS 3 hrs ago #21
Yeah, they go for the oil bucolic_frolic 1 hr ago #30
The brain and experience drain that blind layoffs and defunding will take a decade or more to undo.... dutch777 6 hrs ago #4
Please come to Canada. Canada is high tech, high science ... and high touch: nature, food, music, etc. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 5 hrs ago #5
Great 3auld6phart 3 hrs ago #17
You have my all time favorite guitarist, Harry Manx. Phoenix61 3 hrs ago #19
Old Joke DENVERPOPS 3 hrs ago #26
GO...please! We can't snuff out brilliant minds PortTack 5 hrs ago #6
This is yet another thing I was afraid of with Trump SpankMe 5 hrs ago #7
This is a very important post. NNadir 5 hrs ago #8
Soon, very soon now, the USA will turn into Mississippi... malthaussen 4 hrs ago #9
Admitting the South back into the Union quickly as states was a mistake LS0999 3 hrs ago #15
I frequently talk here about PoindexterOglethorpe 4 hrs ago #11
Michener's novel, "Space" PeteyTanker 4 hrs ago #12
Thank you, France! wordstroken 3 hrs ago #13
I really wish Falconry 3 hrs ago #14
It's going to be up to the states to lead the resistance. LS0999 3 hrs ago #16
Great idea. Like the kind of consortium that yorkster 3 hrs ago #25
In Cambodia, when an extremist took over, anyone wearing glasses was a target. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 3 hrs ago #18
If the zone wasn't flooded, would this be a huge news event? SleeplessinSoCal 3 hrs ago #20
Had a weird, almost out of body feeling on yorkster 3 hrs ago #22
i hope they move the climate datum off shore again. AllaN01Bear 3 hrs ago #23
Thank you to everyone inviting American scientists to continue their research. Solly Mack 3 hrs ago #24
Who wouldn't? SheltieLover 3 hrs ago #27
America is going to see a huge brain drain. sinkingfeeling 3 hrs ago #28
I keep trying, but really have no words. Just that I am grateful for France stepping up... Hekate 2 hrs ago #29

DENVERPOPS

(11,256 posts)
21. As a side note;
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:02 PM
3 hrs ago

The IRS for the past years, has noted an ever increasing number of UBER RICH already becoming Ex-Pats....Mostly going to Dubai and the Scandinavian countries........

dutch777

(4,013 posts)
4. The brain and experience drain that blind layoffs and defunding will take a decade or more to undo....
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:16 AM
6 hrs ago

...assuming some level of sanity returns to the government. If you are a talent and those talents can be hired by others at equal pay and without the eLoon overlord looking over your shoulder, many will simply move on. It's a hassle to change jobs but its clear staying under Ding Dong Donnie's regime will be a bigger and longer term hassle.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,039 posts)
5. Please come to Canada. Canada is high tech, high science ... and high touch: nature, food, music, etc. . . . nt
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:31 AM
5 hrs ago

3auld6phart

(1,455 posts)
17. Great
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:47 PM
3 hrs ago
suggestion . I was going to respond to that.also. We have some great schools of higher Learning up here.i am sure they would offer toto help. That is very generous of France. … Americas loss, though… jeezus evey Dept is lead by an incompetent imbecile or some toady odrumpfh/ Putin.

Phoenix61

(18,141 posts)
19. You have my all time favorite guitarist, Harry Manx.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:58 PM
3 hrs ago

If you ever get the chance to see him go.

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DENVERPOPS

(11,256 posts)
26. Old Joke
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:07 PM
3 hrs ago

about a Corporate Executive sending a junior executive to Canada to run a corporate branch of the Company.
The Junior Executive protests, proclaiming that Canada is full of whores and hockey players.........
The Top executives says: My wife is Canadian!!!!!!!!!! To which the Jr. Exec says: What position did she play...?????????.....

SpankMe

(3,399 posts)
7. This is yet another thing I was afraid of with Trump
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:02 PM
5 hrs ago

The US will lose its supremacy as a scientific and technology powerhouse. All of the new constraints on US-gov't funded research where you can't use certain words, the elimination of climate research, gender research, vaccine and disease research, the list goes on. Other countries will pick up the mantle - and will hire US scientists - and will soon dominate that landscape.

If this runaway train of destruction can't be stopped and reversed, we'll be a third rate country in 4 years.

malthaussen

(18,014 posts)
9. Soon, very soon now, the USA will turn into Mississippi...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:35 PM
4 hrs ago

... or Texas, or Florida. One of those MAGA paradises with a Bible in every classroom and no intelligentsia at all. Just good Amurrikan values.

-- Mal

LS0999

(82 posts)
15. Admitting the South back into the Union quickly as states was a mistake
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:43 PM
3 hrs ago

They should have been administered as unincorporated federal territory and undergone reconstruction for a 100 years before they are even considered eligible for statehood.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,430 posts)
11. I frequently talk here about
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:50 PM
4 hrs ago

My Son The Astronomer. He is finishing up the final revisions on his thesis, and will be looking for a job. I keep telling him to apply overseas.

PeteyTanker

(8 posts)
12. Michener's novel, "Space"
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:02 PM
4 hrs ago

touched on this very topic. The educational system was so degraded by a cult leader that people were having to send their children to Europe to get a decent education. Art predicting life?

Falconry

(6 posts)
14. I really wish
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:35 PM
3 hrs ago

states like NY, MA, MD, VA, CA, IL, OR, WA, HA and others would band together and hire these folks. We could set up some kind of regional agencies to keep these folks employed doing what they do to help those of us who actually believe in science and technology.

Everything the Orange Anus touches gets ruined. Everything.

LS0999

(82 posts)
16. It's going to be up to the states to lead the resistance.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:46 PM
3 hrs ago

Congress and the courts have ceded power to the Felon Bros.

yorkster

(2,843 posts)
25. Great idea. Like the kind of consortium that
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:06 PM
3 hrs ago

was formed during Covid to help states get PPE, masks respirators etc.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,953 posts)
20. If the zone wasn't flooded, would this be a huge news event?
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:02 PM
3 hrs ago

I fear our populace is so dumbed down and conspiracy laden that they may approve of the brain drain.

yorkster

(2,843 posts)
22. Had a weird, almost out of body feeling on
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:03 PM
3 hrs ago

reading this headline, as if I were in another time and place and not a good place.
Then, reality clicked in and I knew this to be a very good thing, however sad it's necessity.

Hekate

(96,605 posts)
29. I keep trying, but really have no words. Just that I am grateful for France stepping up...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:34 PM
2 hrs ago

This used to be us. Formerly. Once upon a time.

Before Uncle Sam got defenestrated from a skyscraper in Moscow by trumpPutinmusk.

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