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Omaha Steve

(105,161 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:31 PM Sunday

Six presumed dead after private plane crashes in muddy field in upstate New York

Source: AP

By JAKE OFFENHARTZ
Updated 9:39 AM CDT, April 13, 2025

A twin-engine plane that crashed into a muddy field in upstate New York has left all six passengers aboard presumed dead.

The plane, a Mitsubishi MU-2B, was reported down at noon on Saturday in Copake, New York, around 30 miles (48 kilometers) from its destination at the Columbia County Airport.

All six people who were aboard the plane were presumed dead, according to an official familiar with the crash, who could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

Columbia County Undersheriff Jacqueline Salvatore on Saturday confirmed the crash was fatal but declined to reveal how many people died.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/fatal-plane-crash-upstate-new-york-3e2979d4d0c62397413849363361e165

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Six presumed dead after private plane crashes in muddy field in upstate New York (Original Post) Omaha Steve Sunday OP
Ever since Krasnov (R-Felon) took over the FAA BoRaGard Sunday #1
What the hell is going on with US aviation? Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #2
We've had more plane crashes and incidents in the 83 days the orange monster been in office than I ever remember kimbutgar Sunday #3
No Aviation Pro Sunday #7
Thank you kimbutgar Sunday #8
The MU-2 with its overpowered engines Aviation Pro Sunday #4
Made me look it up - thanks. erronis Sunday #5
Who had airplane safety going downhill fast on their 2025 bingo card? IronLionZion Sunday #6

kimbutgar

(24,794 posts)
3. We've had more plane crashes and incidents in the 83 days the orange monster been in office than I ever remember
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 02:54 PM
Sunday

Last edited Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)

In the last 25 years! * Fooling with the FAA and air traffic controllers by DOGE has been a disaster.

Too bad it doesn’t happen to air force on the way to mar a lago.

* I stand corrected in my statement but it seems like everyday we are experiencing some type of airplane disaster

Aviation Pro

(14,196 posts)
7. No
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:32 PM
Sunday

If you check the NTSB database, you'll find out that General Aviation accounts for about 2 - 3 accidents daily and that has been the norm for years.

Here's the roster from March showing 51 such accidents.

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-public/query-builder?month=3&year=2025

Aviation Pro

(14,196 posts)
4. The MU-2 with its overpowered engines
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:22 PM
Sunday

Is the only airplane I'm scared to fly. In an engine failure situation, if the pilot is not completely dialed in it will upset, stall and spin into the ground before they know what's happening.

erronis

(18,905 posts)
5. Made me look it up - thanks.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:29 PM
Sunday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_MU-2

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2011/may/01/mitsubishi-mu-2-addictive-performance
Mitsubishi’s entrant to the American general aviation scene in the late 1960s—the MU–2 twin turboprop—was a cutting-edge airplane that, performance-wise, blew the doors off the competition. At the time, the Beech King Air 90 couldn’t come close to the speedy Japanese newcomer. And the MU–2 was every bit as good a short/rough-field airplane as the King Air.

Today, the MU–2 is still a performance leader bested in cruise speed by only contemporary—and much more expensive—King Airs (300 and 350), and the rare Piper Cheyenne 400LS. But the MU–2 has been plagued with a reputation of being an unforgiving, or outright dangerous, airplane. A few high-profile accidents, including one that killed a prominent politician, didn’t help the MU–2’s reputation. But MU–2 owners and operators are its most ardent supporters. They argue that the MU–2’s formerly eyebrow-raising accident record had nothing to do with the design, but with improperly trained pilots. After the NTSB recommended—and the FAA followed through with—a Special Certification Review of the design in 1983, the MU–2 came out with a clean bill of health supporting the owners’ theory.

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