'He's not the same person': Voters crucial to Trump's win share dismay after 4 months
Source: Raw Story
April 26, 2025 7:28AM ET
The bloc of Donald Trump voters that was vital to getting him over the election line in first place last November were asked just four months after his inauguration for their reactions. Their answer was far from exuberant. Ummmm, said one.
The independent voters a crucial group of voters that effectively decided the general election were revisited by the Washington Post. Economically, hes not the same person, said Lisa Kirk, who feared I might lose it all as she saw her 401K tank as Trumps business tariff threats took hold.
The conclusion the Post reached after talking to multiple voters was that they are starting to sour on Trump and his disruptive agenda. In January, polls showed independents disapproved of Trump by just a tiny percentage. Now, its 25% among the same group.
The sinking job approval among independent voters suggests Trump is not immune to political consequences as he tears up global trade, slashes the federal government, and challenges the countrys system of checks and balances, The Post wrote. Trumps improvement with long-skeptical independent voters helped him win last fall, and their growing disapproval if it holds could hurt Republicans in the midterms.
Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/trump-independent-voters-2671848579/

Phoenix61
(18,303 posts)groundloop
(12,789 posts)He's the exact same fucking person he's always been, a convicted criminal wanna' be mob boss.
He hasn't changed, Trump never changes. Besides that, he told people who he was over and over again, but they chose to believe what they wanted to.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(2,576 posts)I dont care about you, I just want your vote!
How could they not see through this? Because the RW propaganda sites that many Trump voters marinate themselves in on a daily basis dont show comments like this one.
PatSeg
(50,102 posts)He insults them to their faces and they just laugh and cheer - "That Trump is such a kidder". I think he enjoys seeing how much he can get away with and still keep his supporters. I can just imagine what goes on in his head as the fools keep applauding him like he is some kind of rock star. "What a bunch of losers and I LOVE me."
pazzyanne
(6,669 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,990 posts)choosing to not hear what they didnt want to hear?
IbogaProject
(4,306 posts)That one was horrible but there were lots of institutional guard rails that held. This time he is both even worse and came better prepared to make trouble.
Jack Valentino
(1,910 posts)Grins
(8,283 posts)Lyric:
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
They heard what they wanted to hear and that was enough.
Lovie777
(18,134 posts)he was evil then and evil now.
Aristus
(69,759 posts)Six bankruptcies, including a casino! And they thought he was some kind of fiscal genius?
I realize The Apprentice sold him as this wizard of Wall Street. But I would have thought anyone enamored enough of Trump to sit through his squalid gameshow/reality show would read up at least a little on his pre-Apprentice life. He squandered a $400 million inherited fortune, and has spend his life since then floating on an immense ocean of debt.
Shit, even the Cliff's Notes version of Trump's train wreck of a life should have that stuff in it.
Hornedfrog2000
(138 posts)Is launder money for russia for decades. He litetally steals our wealth via tax cuts, etc. Then funnels it to russia.
brush
(59,653 posts)His niece, Mary Trump's father. He blew it all and that show, "The Apprentice", blew him up like he was a brilliant businessman.
jmowreader
(52,168 posts)He bankrupted THREE of them! A person would think that after the first two went under he'd get his shit together and at least hire someone who knows the gaming industry. Nope.
He also bankrupted a vodka company, which is even harder to do than bankrupting a casino. But...that's what you get when you put $15 vodka in a $25 bottle and try to sell it to people who know what $40 vodka tastes like.
Hornedfrog2000
(138 posts)To launder russian money. He was paying them back loan money imo. Bankruptcy just helped get even more money from the tax payers, etc.
ShazzieB
(20,376 posts)We're talking about credulous people who were dazzled by the way he was depicted on that show. Those aren't the kind of people who are known for having a lot of intellectual curiosity or highly developed critical thinking skills. They were naive enough to believe that what they saw on TV told them everything they needed to know and didn't feel the need to look any farther.
I think that show really set him up for political success. It made a star out of him, created an image for him that a lot of people were impressed by, and equipped him with a readymade fanbase that was happy to believe whayever he said. When he announced his run and started holding rallies, his fans flocked to them, already primed to see him as a snart, savvy businessman who would know exactly how to run the country. (Never mind that running a country is absolutely nothing like running a business! ) The rest, as they say is history.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(27,784 posts)Too bad if you were too stupid to notice.
callous taoboy
(4,704 posts)
Not the same person- Sorry, you break, you buy.
Paladin
(30,269 posts)Take those shiny-new doubts about trump and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. And while you're at it, accept responsibility for the grotesque damage being done to this once-proud nation, on account of your being stupid enough to put a brain-dead thug back in the White House. Everlasting shame on each and every one of you.
Solly Mack
(94,862 posts)but they still sound delusional.
Delusional for thinking Trump isn't now what he's always been and delusional for originally thinking Trump was something he never was.
not fooled
(6,242 posts)mattered.
Hell, they even wrote it down this time (Project 2025).
Solly Mack
(94,862 posts)BootinUp
(49,669 posts)are a special class of stupid. It would be better for them to say they did not vote at all.
Solly Mack
(94,862 posts)Snort.
we can do it
(12,873 posts)gopiscrap
(24,327 posts)you're the ignorant, selfish, xenophobic, racists assholes who voted for him. I hope you lose everything and then attempt to comitt suicide but don't quite succeed and become a veg for the rest of your pathetic lives
ananda
(31,552 posts)Boy were they on such a hard bigot mindtrip that
they couldn't see the truth when it was always
there loud and clear.
usonian
(17,280 posts)They all chose to ignore his failures, idiot policies, "lunatics on acid" advisors, rape judgment, felony convictions, incohrrent babble, treasonous acts, klepto financial history, and the widely published Project 2025.
jgmiller
(544 posts)His rhetoric during the campaign was worse than the first and second runs, the project 2025 stuff was more blatent, etc. So what did they think was going to happen which again just proves that way too many people do not pay attention and they don't learn from the past and they have very short attention spans/memories. This survey shouldn't be any shock just like his actions shouldn't be either.
not fooled
(6,242 posts)This week I had an unsettling exchange with a maggot. Guy who came over to give an estimate for moving. When he asked why I was moving, I told him I wanted out because of what was happening in the US.
He launched into a diatribe about how stupid Kamala was and ranted that he would NEVER EVER vote for her, so he had no choice but to vote for trump. It's as though he was on drugs. There was no talking to him. His views were set in stone and nothing I could say made any impression.
It was scary.
Sancho
(9,139 posts)...there is still a problem with a significant group of votes who can turn a close election.
electric_blue68
(21,072 posts)RandomNumbers
(18,558 posts)to do what has failed TWICE now.
Obama only won because he has off-the-charts charisma, AND the white wing hadn't figured out yet how to manipulate misinformation and the gullible sectors of the electorate to the extent they do today.
Our next nominee needs to have charisma + track record + minimal automatic "no" votes.
* Note that last is why certain factions are stoking the I/P conflict so much - it hurts any Democrat far more than it will hurt a Republican - and there is almost no possible way to win on that one.
sakabatou
(44,638 posts)Botany
(73,949 posts)
moose65
(3,367 posts)These people perplex me. Trump is the same narcissistic, stupid moron that hes always been.
Godot51
(430 posts)he certainly looks, acts, speaks, tweets, fumbles, stumbles, farts, and sharts the same as always, since 2015.
patphil
(7,723 posts)Oh for Christ's sake! He's exactly who he has always been for the past 5 decades.
The trouble is that so many people wanted to believe he was someone other than who he really is.
Trump has always been a mean spirited, angry, hate filled, violent man. He's always been first and foremost for Trump, and only Trump. His record is out there for anyone to see.
Sadly, no one is so blind as those who refuse to see, and no one is so deaf as those who refuse to hear.
It's only now, when his voters are realizing how it negatively affects them, that they are becoming "woke" to the shit storm he's unleashing on everyone.
Ya shoulda paid attention, and voted for the person who actually cared about the country, and was dedicated to the Constitution and the rule of law.
And now you taste the tears.
Jack Valentino
(1,910 posts)let alone while under four indictments---- let alone actually winning a party's nomination and winning the general election??
Seems to me that was in the first chapter of 'Presidential Campaigns 101'
I miss those old days....
Skittles
(163,655 posts)HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE THESE FUCKING PEOPLE
JustAnotherGen
(34,740 posts)Is not able to be quantified. They are beyond known meanings of stupid and entirely delusional.
Also - they are big fucking liars!
GB_RN
(3,328 posts)He is who he always has been. Just more dementia, vileness and vindictiveness added to the nasty-ass recipe that is Caligula. The fact that you morons have attention spans and memory retention problems, forgetting Caligula 1.0, COVID and all the campaign promises he made, telling you what he was going to do? Well, your issues with attention span and memory problems became a problem for all the rest of us. So, no sympathies. Go fuck yourselves.
JHB
(37,641 posts)...telling me you only listened to the parts you wanted to hear.
He's not different. He SAID he was going to do all this. He TOLD you.
But once he said something about your pet cause/peeve/whatever, you checked the box and just dismissed anything else.
This is why you don't single-issue vote. It's ALWAYS a package deal.
videohead5
(2,606 posts)The last time he had a few qualified people in his administration that would stop him. Now he has unqualified ass kissers in his administration.
GenThePerservering
(2,814 posts)but never have I seen a politician run on a platform of "Wellll...I know he said [insert blindingly stupid policy position] but he was speaking
a) Metaphotically
b) He was just angry
c) He actually doesn't mean that LITERALLY...
He didn't fool anyone, these chuds fooled themselves.
hamsterjill
(15,775 posts)The crazies who didn't listen and voted for him and got us all into this freaking mess just didn't want anyone to notice that it was their hatred and need for control that made them vote for him. I refuse to give them any quarter. They caused this and I will remind them every chance that I get.
I'm glad to see that their minds are changing, don't get me wrong. But the vote for Trump was about more than just a vote for an asshole. It was another asshole in the voting booth casting the ballot. They either didn't like people having freedom in their bedrooms, didn't like women having equality, or didn't like someone just because their skin color was different than theirs.
The number ONE issue that I get from people who didn't vote for Vice President Harris is always abortion. It's the brainwashing over the last forty years from the Sunday pulpit that has made these idiots think they are somehow being righteous by "saving babies". They don't give a rat's ass about who they harm; they just want to feel part of the cult doing the righteous bidding so that they can feel good about themselves. And while we should absolutely welcome them onto the Democratic side, we should never, EVER forget who they are.
Dan
(4,622 posts)Hes hurting people but unfortunately its also hurting white people. If he would just change his policies a little bit to target non-straight, non-white, non-Christians and non-rural folks then his policies would be perfect.
kimbutgar
(24,927 posts)Now hes in and he dont give a shit for you!
regnaD kciN
(26,990 posts)Dem4life1970
(805 posts)...they saw for FOUR YEARS (unlike maybe some of us who have known the racist, sexual assaulter, conman grifter going back to the 70s and 80s) who he was and how he led (actually didn't lead) the country. He coasted on the Obama economy and took credit for it. This time around that would've been his smartest move. Biden built an even better economy, and he could've coasted and taken credit for it. But his tiny, mushroom sized, fragile ego couldn't live with that. Instead, he had to go and screw it all up.
He has no idea what he is doing...and it shows.
robbob
(3,689 posts)He told us he was going to do all these things, and now hes not doing all these things
, and they are stupid enough to believe that it must mean HE has changed.
No, sorry, hes always been a liar.
Montauk6
(9,034 posts)but FUCK THEM!!!!... With EXTREME prejudice.
Jack Valentino
(1,910 posts)But nobody wanted to take the time to understand what that would do....
instead, they just bought into the "grocery prices will go down on day one" bullshit,
not understanding that there's very little a president can do to lower prices--
but he sure can RAISE them, they are going to find out.
Maybe before the next time they vote for president,
they could learn a little about macro-economics...
Orrex
(65,063 posts)reACTIONary
(6,392 posts)Moosepoop
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Aussie105
(6,974 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:08 AM - Edit history (1)
Too easy to swallow "The Apprentice" hype that painted Donnie as a business genius, and then paint all of his actions currently with the same emotion, 'I do not understand what or why he is doing things, so he must be a smart person, a genius even!'
But every action he takes, every malformed sentence he speaks, shows he is dislocated from reality.
And that is not genius, that is insanity.
'He is not the same person' is often said in domestic violence situations too.
You perceive yourself as the weaker person in a relationship, admire the other person for their confidence and strength, and align yourself with them - on the assumption that strength will be used to protect you and benefit you.
Then it all goes wrong . . . those perceived positives are turned against you.
Trumpism is a combination of insanity, cultism and domestic violence on a large scale.
tavernier
(13,648 posts)Its not that hard.
sheshe2
(91,556 posts)Talk about a disruptive agenda! He attempted a self coup, FFS!
HE TOLD THEM TO GO THERE AND BE WILD
Where were you when Capitol police were beaten with American flag poles as our own house was attacked. They caused millions in damages to the Peoples House! They tore it apart and pissed on floors and wiped shit on OUR walls! That alone wasn't enough for you?!
January 6, 2021
On January 6, 2021, the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., was attacked by a mob of supporters of President Donald Trump in an attempted self-coup, two months after his defeat in the 2020 presidential election.
Source:
Wikipedia
Date: January 6, 2021
Location: Washington, D.C.
Aussie105
(6,974 posts)The problem is clear to those with a functional brain.
The questions should now be:
1. How to protect yourself personally from the ongoing Trump Derangement Syndrome shitstorm?
2. Where to from here as a country?
3. How to fix the global perception of America and where it is going?
(Currently demoted from Global Leader to 'do not enter, monsters be there!')
Some sort of cathartic event, or series of events, need to happen, to purge America and show a new light, set it on a new direction.
I hope people realize how serious this all is, how a resolution is desperately needed.
America walking back support for Ukraine and NATO countries arming up: the chess pieces are currently in place for WW3.
JohnSJ
(98,490 posts)but the economic disarray he is causing that is bothering them.
Even that should be no surprise, since he told you exactly what he was going to do with tariffs.
Idiots.
Hassler
(4,274 posts)But older now, and demented, as well as corrupt, stupid and arrogant.
Old Testament Libera
(78 posts)It appears that many American voters have never had close contact with a con man. If you have had any contact with one, you can spot them a mile off. They need to be more skeptical. Trump's first term was pretty unpleasant, I wonder why people didn't remember that?
orleans
(35,934 posts)augyboston
(327 posts)When I read that one of these indie idiots said, "He's not the same person" my blood pressure shot up by thirty percent.
Not to say that tRump 2.0 isn't worse than tRump 1.0 because he's now surrounded by sycophants, has Project 2025 blueprint and the principles (or lack thereof) of Curis Yarvin that guides him.
Still, to say you voted for tRump after all that went down during his first term because you wanted more of the same is absolutely fucking insane.
The only silver lining to what's going on is that many of these MAGATS are going down with the rest of us. Their pain brings me joy!
BootinUp
(49,669 posts)A strange quote by someone in the article still not sure tRump was a mistake.
wolfie001
(4,721 posts)Explain history and finance to these soulless bastards. Pathetic.
Vinca
(51,956 posts)And the million and a half Americans now dead because of Covid mismanagement.
kwijybo
(266 posts)But time in Hell seems longer.
(Feb, Mar, Apr)
kskiska
(27,143 posts)except now he's turned on YOU!
DallasNE
(7,763 posts)About the only surprise he has launched is DOGE. Granted, that is a big one, but he campaigned on all of the other disasters we are witnessing. He campaigned on bypassing Congress and that means excessive use of Executive Orders.