It may result in having a court date, but not a conviction. There's nothing to charge people with.

Also, it's time to start taking photos of ICE agents, even if they have masks, and posting the photos. We need to make THEM afraid!

We shall see if people go to jail or not.

Yes people need to start fighting back against the ICE gestapo.

At least that I can find.

It's tremendously problematic for them to not be well-identified and risks an escalating situation (even beyond the unconstitutionality of the agency itself).

against people who are kidnapping them or assaulting them.
Especially men who are masked, no ID, no agency marking, etc.
We don't know if they are pretending to be officers or not.

The ICE Gestapo is just plain wrong.
They love being Nazis.

A lawyer who can't sway a jury with "Gestapo!" should hang it up.

…without a warrant, they will be and should be challenged in the land of the free.

Following an illegal order like the one to detain people without a warrant is just as horrible as the order itself.

They are breaking the law. They have to identify themselves and cannot be in plain clothes.

I dug a bit but am coming up with the reverse answer.

Isn't that a prerequisite for any arrest? Of course, they're not getting due process either.

I would think that Charlottesville, the place where the University of Virginia is and where many of my friends went, would know a thing or two about right-wing thugs. This is the place, after all, where the Unite the Right rally occurred and white supremacists killed someone on August 11-12, 2017. I don't think people are going to forget them and not see what ICE is doing as being anything different than those who were at the Unite the Right rally. I bet you many ICE agents probably went to the Unite the Right rally.

Here is another site I found that might get some more context into the men in question:
https://www.vpm.org/news/2025-04-26/dominguez-rodriguez-aparicio-marcelino-charlottesville-albemarle-ice-farmville

Thanks for the link.

That's what Trump and authoritarians want. They don't want people questioning them. You have to hammer them and make them uncomfortable. They hate that, but that is what is going to have to happen, because Trump and his crony government don't want people asking questions. Just like in the case with the judge in Wisconsin, there are bound to be questions that have to be answered. No dictatorship, monarch, or anybody who have absolute power has fallen without people questioning what their government is doing, and I have read about many dictatorships, monarchs, etc. throughout history.

Ice agent thugs!

Just saying. (How are we really gonna know?)

If the bystanders asked questions, that's free speech. Even if the bystanders cursed at the i.c.e. thugs, that's free speech. If the bystanders tried to physically impede the thugs, that's different.

But if the i.c.e. thugs are licit, why the hell are they anonymous? Anybody getting paid with public money should have a name tag and be readily identifiable, not masked.

I hope the bystanders said things to the i.c.e. thugs that stabbed into the dormant remnant of humanity that might be locked up in their bully personas. And the i.c.e thugs quit.

City of Houston v. Hill, 482 U.S. 451 (1987)

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/482/451/

Ray has won four federal suits against the city of Houston for police abuses, including the landmark 1987 Supreme Court Case Houston V Hill. At the time, Houston law prohibited “willfully or intentionally interrupting a city policeman by verbal challenge during an investigation.” Ray victoriously claimed that Americans have a constitutional right to speak to an officer in the line of duty. Ray also helped John Lawrence usher his case against sodomy laws through the U.S. federal court system. In 2004, the Supreme Court ruled Lawrence’s favor in Lawrence v. Texas, ending the criminalization of gay male sex in America. In 1999, Ray received a Lifetime Achievement award from the Houston Chapter of the ACLU. He’s been featured in several documentary films, including the upcoming “The Trouble with Ray”.

https://theoutwordsarchive.org/interview/hill-ray/

I know ICE has NOT conducted a raid in the area. That would become a combat zone. It is surrounded by businesses, sidewalk vendors and families.
MS-13 is well armed and their is another local very large well armed local gang in the area. Guess what, no citizens would protest their arrests and deportation but it would be a possible blood bath. No posing for photos unless you want to be shot. Machetes are commonly used in self defense in this neighborhood, in addition to the firepower. Whole apartment buildings have been set ablaze to target 1 witness to a crime.
ICE could have had LAPD cooperation but that's not how this administration chooses to operate.
They don't care about the innocent only how cruel they can be (rat face Miller) and photo ops.

It's creepy as fuck... I suppose that's why?

I think they are lucky that no one used their Concealed carry 'instrument' to stop a kidnapping in progress.

Many states, Ohio for example do not even require a license to carry any more.

Even other uniformed police would step in to stop such a 'gang'.

Until they display proper ID, show full face, and a warrant, they are kidnappers / abductors and should be arrested by citizens preventing a crime. And treated as child molesters / pedos if there are children involved.

If they flash a badge, yell "FAKE!" and demand paper identification, and photograph it, and say it looks fake, so you are calling the cops for impersonating a police officer. Call the cops and do not let ICE leave - tell them they are evading arrest, if they try to. Then, when the cops get there, make the ICE agents show cops the warrant, properly signed and show proper ID, then make them explain to the cops why they refused to ID them selves when attempting an abduction.

Maybe there is an attorney in the crowd, too... And, as another poster points out, what if a CC person pulled a gun on them and told them hands up or be shot? And held them on the ground until the cops came. All you would be doing would preventing a crime.

There are several "Failure to ID" laws, and cops who do not ID themselves run afoul of them a lot. ICE ignores this. They cannot prosecute people trying to prevent a kidnapping if they do not ID themselves from the very beginning, before they grab a person.. So that is the defense - "You Honor, I saw what looked to be a kidnapping or abduction by a bunch of shady looking men - I thought they were gangsters or something - they sure looked like it to me, so I jumped in to save the person. They attacked me, THEN they said they were ICE, but they never showed me a badge or ID."

just move along'........... GACK! Trying to intimidate people from asking questions.

Flame me if you want but I just had a cop walk into my back door at 3am 2 weeks ago because it was open. I live in the country. He said they had a report of an emergency in the area. I told him to get the fuck off my property and he was lucky he didn't get a deer slug to the head. I hate cops period. Did I mention I have a Hispanic last name? Its coming folks. These fuckers can taste the power.

…wherever they are, whatever they are doing, whoever they are. They are terrorists travelling in unmarked vans, without insignia or ID or warrants. They “disappear” their victims.

They are America’s 21st century Gestapo.

Should make people not question them?

Do they think that if people see someone being kidnapped they should say nothing or not call for help or ask questions?

that if the State or local police see unidentified people with guns trying to grab other people, no matter where it happens, the State and local police are being authorized to assume it is a kidnapping and are authorized to use any force necessary to stop the kidnapping up to and including deadly force.

I know the arguments against such a move such as giving Crumb The 1st an excuse to declare all kinds of things. But I would simply point out that there must be a price to pay for kidnapping people and the local authorities cannot just stand by. Strongly worded letters and court cases lasting months and years don't get it when it is all being ignored.

The Feds know damned well they do not need to do this in the manner they are currently. They can get the proper arrest warrants and then serve and apprehend. Just like before. Before a time when they were given carte blanche to become the American Gestapo. In fact they should have that tag applied during any reference to ICE. It should now be ICE-American Gestapo or ICE-AG.Behave like it and you deserve to wear the label. Period.