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groundloop

(13,216 posts)
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 01:39 PM Jul 28

Ghislaine Maxwell makes pitch to Supreme Court

Source: ABC News

The U.S. Supreme Court should hear Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal of her 2021 sex trafficking conviction because the government has an "obligation to honor" a non-prosecution agreement with Jeffrey Epstein that inoculated Maxwell from any criminal charges, her lawyers argued in a brief to the Supreme Court Monday.

"Plea and non-prosecution agreements resolve nearly every federal case. They routinely include promises that extend to others—co-conspirators, family members, potential witnesses. If those promises mean different things in different parts of the country, then trust in our system collapses," the brief said.

Federal prosecutors have argued that the non-prosecution agreement applied only in Florida and did not bind New York, where charges against him, and subsequently Maxwell, were brought.

"It is not geographically limited to the Southern District of Florida, it is not conditioned on the co-conspirators being known by the government at the time, it does not depend on what any particular government attorney may have had in his or her head about who might be a co-conspirator, and it contains no other caveat or exception. This should be the end of the discussion," the defense brief said.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ghislaine-maxwell-makes-pitch-supreme-court/story?id=124144128

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Ghislaine Maxwell makes pitch to Supreme Court (Original Post) groundloop Jul 28 OP
Go ahead John Roberts, I triple-dog-dare you... Fiendish Thingy Jul 28 #1
You often have clever readings of the Court Prairie Gates Jul 28 #5
Sure, that's a possibility Fiendish Thingy Jul 28 #6
They will rule Miguelito Loveless Jul 28 #19
The argument on jurisdictional specificity has some merit on its face; whether an agreement with Epstein Prairie Gates Jul 28 #2
She wasn't named or charged during the original case IbogaProject Jul 28 #3
This court STALLS on everything against TSF, BUT THIS could help him, so i'm thinkiong THIS is their plan bluestarone Jul 28 #4
I dunno. Even 'Pucker Up And Kiss Trump's Ass' Chief Justice might balk at allowing THIS can of worms into the building Attilatheblond Jul 28 #9
A convenient way to avoid pardoning or commuting her tishaLA Jul 28 #7
Yup, the SC could tidy this all up - nice and neatly - and once again, Trump escapes accountability. Marie Marie Jul 28 #20
IMHO and I am not an attorney UpInArms Jul 28 #8
But she's white and rich, so she thinks she's getting out Attilatheblond Jul 28 #11
See post #16. onenote Jul 28 #17
This is silly. Jacson6 Jul 28 #10
Holder of the evidence has magical powers Attilatheblond Jul 28 #12
The plea deal was broadly worded and she falls within its scope. onenote Jul 28 #16
I think the opposite here. bluestarone Jul 28 #18
Did Epstein ACUALLY FULFILL ALL the terms 3825-87867 Jul 28 #21
Yes. It was a sweetheart deal. Didn't require that much. onenote Jul 28 #22
It all depends on what she knows about certain of the "Men in Black Nightgowns" usonian Jul 28 #13
drumpf always gets others to do his dirty work for him JoseBalow Jul 28 #14
The dirty half-dozen will accept this bullshit so Trump doesn't have to pardon her hadEnuf Jul 28 #15
This whole scenario is disgusting mdbl Jul 28 #23

Fiendish Thingy

(20,447 posts)
1. Go ahead John Roberts, I triple-dog-dare you...
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 01:44 PM
Jul 28

Set Maxwell free, and prepare yourself for five new, liberal justices in 2029.

Prairie Gates

(5,946 posts)
5. You often have clever readings of the Court
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 01:52 PM
Jul 28

What do you think about the merits of the appeal? There's at least something to the idea that if you make a deal with federal prosecutors in the Southern District of Florida that deal has to be honored in the Southern District of New York as well, no? The Roberts court has of course been perfectly happy to smash federalism when it benefits the Republican Party and inflate a giant Leviathan of federalism when it suits the Republican Party, so there's no telling how their supposed belief systems will view this federalist argument. They would at least get to knock it down while pretending to their usual antifederalist nonsense. I suspect they'll avoid the issue altogether and simply say that the agreement must explicitly apply to Maxwell or the question is moot, thereby avoiding the whole problem of turning every local US Attorney's office into a de facto separate jurisdiction.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,447 posts)
6. Sure, that's a possibility
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 01:57 PM
Jul 28

I was just projecting the likely fallout if the Roberts court was foolhardy enough to overturn Maxwell’s conviction.

The uproar would create a momentum for court expansion that Dems could act upon, kill the filibuster and expand the court without fear of voter backlash.

Prairie Gates

(5,946 posts)
2. The argument on jurisdictional specificity has some merit on its face; whether an agreement with Epstein
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 01:45 PM
Jul 28

extends to Maxwell implicitly is another matter.

That said, it does seem to beg the question of why Epstein would kill himself so early in the process if he did have a fairly good grounds for appeal on this issue - certainly better than Maxwell's, since the agreement was explicitly with him.

bluestarone

(20,121 posts)
4. This court STALLS on everything against TSF, BUT THIS could help him, so i'm thinkiong THIS is their plan
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 01:48 PM
Jul 28

They will decide to drop her charges and release her from ever testifying again. The FIX is in. (Please tell me i'm wrong in my thinking)

Attilatheblond

(6,960 posts)
9. I dunno. Even 'Pucker Up And Kiss Trump's Ass' Chief Justice might balk at allowing THIS can of worms into the building
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:08 PM
Jul 28

It's a lose/lose situation for Roberts, and he's a coward, so probably not going to take the bait.

I'm not a legal eagle, but an observer of cowards from way back. Roberts knows the ice under him is getting mighty thin.

tishaLA

(14,681 posts)
7. A convenient way to avoid pardoning or commuting her
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jul 28

it's so disgusting that I'm sure she'll have five safe votes.

Marie Marie

(10,472 posts)
20. Yup, the SC could tidy this all up - nice and neatly - and once again, Trump escapes accountability.
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 03:42 PM
Jul 28

UpInArms

(53,279 posts)
8. IMHO and I am not an attorney
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:06 PM
Jul 28

Unless she was specifically named in the non prosecution agreement, she has no grounds

Attilatheblond

(6,960 posts)
11. But she's white and rich, so she thinks she's getting out
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:12 PM
Jul 28

She forgot a couple of things:
She's female and therefore her entitlement card isn't as good as if she was male.
She has become an inconvenience to a lot of powerful entitled males. Wonder what the actuaries are for women like her.

onenote

(45,586 posts)
16. The plea deal was broadly worded and she falls within its scope.
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:55 PM
Jul 28

The non-prosecution agreement provided that "if Epstein successfully fulfills all of the terms and conditions of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova."

The decision to allow the prosecution of Maxwell did not turn on a finding by the court below that it wasn't intended to cover her. It turned on the issue before the SCOTUS -- is the agreement enforceable only in the district where it was entered or in any district in the country.

Personally, I think the Court should uphold the ruling below that allowed the prosecution to move forward, but it's hardly a slam dunk

bluestarone

(20,121 posts)
18. I think the opposite here.
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 03:12 PM
Jul 28

All this court needs is any kind of loophole that will protect TSF. I say it's a SLAM DUNK for this court to allow her to go free! (then turn up dead later)

3825-87867

(1,532 posts)
21. Did Epstein ACUALLY FULFILL ALL the terms
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 07:35 PM
Jul 28

of the agreement? SInce he"died" I would think, no, but I don't work for tramp.

onenote

(45,586 posts)
22. Yes. It was a sweetheart deal. Didn't require that much.
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 07:43 PM
Jul 28

Per the agreement, he appeared in state court and pled guilty to the pending state indictment charging felony solicitation of prostitution and, pursuant to the NPA, to a criminal information charging him with procurement of minors to engage in prostitution. Upon the joint request of the defendant and the state prosecutor, and consistent with the NPA, the court immediately sentenced Epstein to consecutive terms of 12 months’ incarceration on the solicitation charge and 6 months’ incarceration on the procurement charge, followed by 12 months of community control. Epstein began serving the sentence that day, in a minimum-security Palm Beach County facility.

Soon after he was incarcerated, Epstein applied for the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s work release program, and the Sheriff approved his application. In October 2008, Epstein began spending 12 hours a day purportedly working at the “Florida Science Foundation,” an entity Epstein had recently incorporated that was co-located at the West Palm Beach office of one of Epstein’s attorneys. Although the NPA specified a term of incarceration of 18 months, Epstein received “gain time,” that is, time off for good behavior, and he actually served less than 13 months of incarceration. On July 22, 2009, Epstein was released from custody to a one-year term of home detention as a condition of community control, and he registered as a sexual offender with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

usonian

(19,901 posts)
13. It all depends on what she knows about certain of the "Men in Black Nightgowns"
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:22 PM
Jul 28

Why, I'll bet

JoseBalow

(8,215 posts)
14. drumpf always gets others to do his dirty work for him
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jul 28

so he can play dumb and deny any knowledge or culpability. He learned that trick from Roy Cohn.

He always tries to avoid getting his own hands dirty at all costs... Just ask his caddies.

hadEnuf

(3,357 posts)
15. The dirty half-dozen will accept this bullshit so Trump doesn't have to pardon her
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 02:29 PM
Jul 28

after she says exactly what he wants her to say.

The fix is in.

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