were reversed that the University and the courts/government would be stepping in an equivalent manner for Palestinians. Really?

…why they had to settle?

To set up a "Jewish exclusion zone" blocking Jewish students and professors from access to campus?

My question is broadly based about how anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim behavior and speech is treated. The universities, the GQP and conservative whacks in general have been championing and demanding access for years to have Islamophobic speakers to come to come to universities. When 10/7 happened do you think it was safe for Palestinian students to walk freely on campuses? Really?

The point being that we in America, and we're not alone, are selective when it comes to the effort put in to provide protections for various groups. But hypocrisy has been a large fixture in the US from even before our founding and continuing right on to this day.

And I would 100% support it if anyone had excluded because they were Muslim

I cannot recall benny threats or actions against Palestinian students on US campuses , but if it happened , perhaps you could provide a link?

I do recall Jewish students being terrorized and having to lock themselves in rooms while being harassed by pro Palestinian supporters

My response was more to point out you brought up a hypothetical rather than comment on the event that actually did happen.

Since I answered your question, will you do the courtesy of answering mine?

in the '70's and saw the anti-Arab/Muslim thing close up. You shouldn't have to look too search the internet too long to find all you need about Islamophobic speakers and groups at universities. You shouldn't have to search your memory too long to remember what Crumb the 1st did with his Muslim Ban in his first term. Do you think Muslim students somehow weren't included in that ban? Get real.

I thought you meant 2023, not sometime in the 70s.

I don't believe I ever denied the existence of Islamophobia and have no idea why you are bringing up his first term Muslim ban since that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The OP is about the pro-Palestinian protesters who blocked Jews from accessing the UCLA campus. Do you have anything to say about that?

my point is a broad one about the effort of campuses and government over the many decades. Yes my reference of 10/7 was to 2023.

...the fear of Palestinian students after 10/7...do you have links to the stories about how they were treated in the same manner as the Jewish students in the OP (and all over the country)?

story of the dead Palestinian boy in Illinois gets brushed away as nothing in America. I posed the question of "if" the situation was reversed. I did so for people to examine why the effort has been muted about Islamophobia on campus for decades compared to the push against anti-Semitism. But you ask me for links and I ask you back for a list of your comments over the last 25 years decrying Islamophobia in the US on campuses etc.

You apparently don't believe Islamophobia is a problem unless someone gives you links. So I'll give you some links and then you will come back at me arguing the sources etc. for that information. You don't believe it's a problem and I do. Nobody is ever going to convince you it is a problem and nobody is going to convince me that it is not a problem.

https://www.muslimcampuslife.com/islamophobia-tracker/

https://pen.org/rising-anti-muslim-and-anti-arab-hate-on-campus/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2025/04/29/harvard-antisemitism-islamophobia-review-trump/83351766007/

https://www.rwcpulse.com/education/2024/11/20/new-report-reveals-skyrocketing-rates-of-islamophobia-on-states-college-campuses/

https://religionnews.com/2021/12/28/how-the-effect-of-anti-muslim-bias-on-campus-harms-students-education/

https://cpost.uchicago.edu/publications/cpost_understanding_campus_fears_after_october_7_and_how_to_reduce_them/

https://static.ca.cair.com/reports/campus-islamophobia.html

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-mi-files-federal-complaint-over-leaked-audio-of-u-of-mich-pres-admitting-response-to-islamophobia-on-campus-is-unbalanced/

https://www.azizfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Alam-and-Chaudry-2025-Islamophobia-on-Campus.pdf

https://ca.cair.com/press-release/cairs-2025-civil-rights-report-reveals-islamophobia-at-an-all-time-high-nationwide-with-california-leading-in-complaints/

https://www.k12dive.com/news/trump-administration-silent-on-muslim-students-education-civil-rights/742514/

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4331566-fears-campus-attack-palestinian-islamophobia-hamas-israel/

https://www.higheredtoday.org/2016/05/04/addressing-islamophobia-on-college-campuses/

https://islamophobia.org/category/hostile-campuses/

That's what we're talking about here. UCLA allowed students and faculty to exclude Jewish people from going to class and accessing campus facilities. For weeks.

We're not talking about individuals saying hateful things. We're talking about the university allowing it.

I don't think you understand the OP.

No one is questioning that Islamaphobia exists - of course it does. But I've seen no examples of school-sanctioned Islamaphobia.

My question I posed was broad in nature about the effort put in by universities and government and was not limited to a single university or occurrence. If you read the links you will find what you think isn't there.

I asked you a simple question and here's your chance to provide a simple answer. One example. Supported by one link.

it into a browser for themselves. Do footnotes trouble you as well? I know people who hate them when they read a book and then when they get to the end they say "Well how do I know what was said had foundation?". Horse and water. But I'll give you a little hint. UCLA and University of Michigan but that's all I'm going to tell you until you get help dealing with your fear of links on DU.

...about Palestinian students being systematically stopped from attending classes after 10/7?

Where are the news stories about pro-Israeli groups building encampments on campuses and blocking access for Palestinian students after 10/7?

I witnessed it myself at the four local universities in my area. And lots of non-Muslim students and faculty - including a number of Jewish students and factory - supported the pro-Palestinian protests. They do to this day.

In fact, you are completely wrong.

"The lawsuit, filed more than a year ago, alleged that by not immediately ordering the encampment to be taken down, UCLA provided support to pro-Palestinian activists who “enforced” what it termed a “Jew Exclusion Zone,” prohibiting Jewish students and staff from passing through the camp’s makeshift barricades."

The Jewish students who are suing the university are the ones who called it a "Jew Exclusion Zone." The protestors were trying to create a pro-Palestinian encampment and protest, which is not the same thing as a "Jew Exclusion Zone." It might have been a "pro-Palestinian Zone" but that is not the same thing.

It is also noted in the article that a group of Jewish and pro-Jewish students attacked the encampment. Why is nobody suing the pro-Jewish group for that?

But the reality was the protesters blocked Jews from accessing areas of the campus they needed to go. It was done with the acquiescence of UCLA.
Regardless of what it is called the question remains is it acceptable to bar people of a religion from going to their classes because of the actions of a country half a world away?

As for those who are assaulted by what you call Jewish groups, it would be up to them to file suit.
Although I have to ask where they truly pro Jewish or were they pro-Israeli or are the terms synonyms?

According to the article

The university allowed students and faculty to literally exclude all Jewish people from parts of campus. That went on for weeks.

So, yes, the university violated a whole lot of laws and ethics in support of the pro-Palestinian cause.

It's just that you are completely wrong about this.

Universities all over the world supported pro-Palestinian protests and Muslim students.

you presupposed something and completely missed what I'm talking about.

....and the fireworks and objects thrown at them etc by vicious pro-Israel thugs? While the police stood by for hours and let them be beaten? Coincidentally also at UCLA?

No. No hearings, investigations, lawsuits.

This is what the thugs and agitators did to unarmed student protesters. Group asdaults on lone protesters too.

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Btw the assaults came about because the students had the temerity to set up checkpoints to stop pro-Israel agitators (prevalent at all protests) from entering the protest areas and endangering students.

Shortly after, they were attacked by these thugs. But apparently that was OK.

Also, what the judge wrote seems disturbing:

"In the year 2024, in the United States of America, in the State of California, in the City of Los Angeles, Jewish students were excluded from portions of the UCLA campus because they refused to denounce their faith,” Scarsi wrote in the order last July."

If that were true, it would be horrible.

But what he means is this:

"...exclusion ... based on religious beliefs concerning the Jewish state of Israel."

Is Zionism part of the Jewish faith? One is a political ideology, no? I don't get it. I am open to enlightenment!

I have never once seen a "pro-Israel agitator." You say they are "prevalent at all protests."

Got any evidence for that?

And yes, it is totally unconstitutional and a violation of UCLA's own policies to allow anybody to set up "checkpoints" to deny access to campus to anybody for any ideological reason. You may not like it, but "supporting Israel" is a right enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and in UCLA's policies.

And if the police didn't stop people from attacking Muslim students, shame on them. Maybe the students should sue.

Palestinians are not considered really people by our political leaders and media.

...be vigilant and try not to give into the temptation to feed the squirrels!