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OKIsItJustMe

(21,636 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 12:42 AM Aug 3

Brutal arrest of Black student in Florida shows benefits of recording police from new vantage point

Source: Associated Press

BY JEFF MARTIN
Updated 11:57 PM EDT, August 2, 2025

A video that captured the brutal arrest of a Black college student pulled from his car and beaten by officers in Florida has led to an investigation and calls for motorists to consider protecting themselves by placing a camera inside their vehicles.

William McNeil Jr. captured his February traffic stop on his cellphone camera, which was mounted above his dashboard. It offered a unique view, providing the only clear footage of the violence by officers, including punches to his head that can’t clearly be seen in officer body camera footage released by the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.

Since McNeil had the foresight to record the encounter from inside the vehicle, “we got to see firsthand and hear firsthand and put it all in context what driving while Black is in America,” said civil rights attorney Ben Crump, one of several lawyers advising McNeil.

“All the young people should be recording these interactions with law enforcement,” Crump said. Because what it tells us, just like with George Floyd, if we don’t record the video, we can see what they put in the police report with George Floyd before they realized the video existed.”



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/william-mcneil-police-beating-video-jacksonville-driver-4243a4a87a89ae2ef99259144067c2e5



https://apnews.com/article/florida-driver-police-beating-video-mcneil-jacksonville-d76afa9e59eb196ca6471b6348405c1a
https://apnews.com/article/florida-police-beating-bfc742527c2469f75e54975abd19b3df
https://apnews.com/article/william-mcneil-police-beating-video-jacksonville-driver-0bb9a3967ea613d1f50e15db58c54189
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Brutal arrest of Black student in Florida shows benefits of recording police from new vantage point (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Aug 3 OP
Some good advice about turning on your phone camera for safety reasons..my question.. Deuxcents Aug 3 #1
Someone on another site said he turned it on (began recording) C Moon Aug 3 #2
There was no need for him to step out of car Lifeafter70 Aug 3 #3
Unfortunately the Supreme Court has ruled they have the right to take you out of the car if they want EX500rider Aug 3 #21
15 years ago I told a black friend that he should put a camera in his car. Old Crank Aug 3 #4
By live stream, do you mean, automatically streamed to the cloud and stored? Beartracks Aug 3 #5
Sending it directly to the cloud seems like the way to go. SunSeeker Aug 3 #6
Wow, good thought NJCher Aug 3 #7
Pretty much Old Crank Aug 3 #16
This is from the AP article posted above: NJCher Aug 3 #8
I'll bet . . . AverageOldGuy Aug 3 #10
Dash cams are the pervasive norm in Russia. Welcome to authoritarianism. littlemissmartypants Aug 3 #9
Did not know that NJCher Aug 3 #12
Well done! ... littlemissmartypants Aug 3 #13
Good on you for helping your students from the actions of droog-like cops... electric_blue68 Aug 4 #22
Twelve years ago, a meteor exploded above Russia OKIsItJustMe Aug 3 #15
umm. Interesting thanks riversedge Aug 3 #18
THIS! DiverDave Aug 3 #19
I remember when this first happened NJCher Aug 3 #11
This violent dynamic is in the American DNA BaronChocula Aug 3 #14
Some, or maybe all dash cams can be spun around to point towards window if you are stoped. frogstar0 Aug 3 #17
After almost getting hit a few times I got a forward facing dash cam... If anything happens you have the proof on video mitch96 Aug 3 #20

Deuxcents

(23,649 posts)
1. Some good advice about turning on your phone camera for safety reasons..my question..
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:00 AM
Aug 3

Do you leave your camera on until you arrive safely, then turn it on when you’re out again? Where would it be mounted and where would one get the mounting needed. Can I do it myself and if not, who would mount it and give instructions? In all sincerity, I’m not up on a lot of technical skills and at 78, I think I’d feel a lot safer especially if I’m in an accident. Thanks for your input..

C Moon

(13,108 posts)
2. Someone on another site said he turned it on (began recording)
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:17 AM
Aug 3

after the police started making demands to him.
Looks like he has his phone on a car mount that sits in and around the dash.
A lot of people also have front and back "dash cams." But I guess those wouldn't get the activity seen here—mostly for collision evidence.

So to answer your question, it appears he began recording video on his phone after he was pulled over, because he felt uneasy about the police.

Lifeafter70

(617 posts)
3. There was no need for him to step out of car
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:20 AM
Aug 3

All they needed to do was write a ticket.
That cop was profiling. I hope he gets enough from his lawsuit to pay for his college loans and that cop gets fired.

EX500rider

(11,952 posts)
21. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has ruled they have the right to take you out of the car if they want
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:37 PM
Aug 3

And refusing to do so never ends well

Old Crank

(6,077 posts)
4. 15 years ago I told a black friend that he should put a camera in his car.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:40 AM
Aug 3

One in the dome light area at least. For fake drug busts.
Camera and audio.
Now I would suggest 2 cameras hooked up to live stream

SunSeeker

(56,501 posts)
6. Sending it directly to the cloud seems like the way to go.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:11 AM
Aug 3

The cops might destroy your phone if they realize you're recording. I'm seeing many instances of cops hitting phones out of people's hands, and ICE confiscating phones.

NJCher

(41,134 posts)
7. Wow, good thought
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:42 AM
Aug 3

Sorry, cops, it’s automatic. You know, it’s the computer. Came that way from the store. Nuthin’ I can do.

Oh, wow, look at you ! There you are on streaming! Look, your wife and kids can see how you do your job!




Old Crank

(6,077 posts)
16. Pretty much
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 05:10 AM
Aug 3

I think turning it on when police pull you over or stop you instead of continuously.

NJCher

(41,134 posts)
8. This is from the AP article posted above:
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:50 AM
Aug 3
The incident reports don’t describe the officer punching McNeil in the head. The officer, who pulled McNeil over and then struck him, described the force this way in his report: “Physical force was applied to the suspect and he was taken to the ground.”

Note in particular the last sentence. The thug officer uses the passive voice, which is used when the writer wishes to de-emphasize. English and writing teachers criticize its use. It is considered to lack clarity and be cumbersome.

This thug-cop knows he’s screwed.



littlemissmartypants

(29,089 posts)
9. Dash cams are the pervasive norm in Russia. Welcome to authoritarianism.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:55 AM
Aug 3

Cloud capture to a secure location is recommended. While live broadcasting can be very effective in gaining public engagement. Keep in mind though, that not all of that "engagement" will be supportive.

NJCher

(41,134 posts)
12. Did not know that
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:28 AM
Aug 3

About Russia.

However, this stuff with cops and young black males has been going on forever.

I used to tell my students to not argue about the ticket. I’d say take the damn ticket and I’ll show you how to behave in court. How to talk to a judge.

They would do that and win! They would be so proud of themselves for getting a ticket dismissed. The increase in their self confidence was palpable.

littlemissmartypants

(29,089 posts)
13. Well done! ...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:44 AM
Aug 3

Great advice for us all, Cher. Nothing matches the good feelings of accomplishment. ❤️

electric_blue68

(23,369 posts)
22. Good on you for helping your students from the actions of droog-like cops...
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 06:54 PM
Aug 4

unlike a few DU'rs I don't believe all cops are bad; but too, too many are racist, and, or sexist! 😬

My opinion is from decades of listening to, or reading about people's experiences! Here in NYC, and around the country. Quite before George Floyd.

OKIsItJustMe

(21,636 posts)
15. Twelve years ago, a meteor exploded above Russia
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:04 AM
Aug 3

The thing which overwhelmed me was all of the recordings they had from car “dash cams.” I was barely aware such things existed, and yet it seemed like every car in Russia had one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor

DiverDave

(5,160 posts)
19. THIS!
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 11:42 AM
Aug 3

I saw that same footage and was amazed at how many had dashcams.
It really is spectacular.

NJCher

(41,134 posts)
11. I remember when this first happened
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:16 AM
Aug 3

And I saw the footage, I recall thinking, “This guy is doing everything right.” I think in particular, the student asked a brief question to clarify the officer’s orders. This was important because the orders conflicted and if he had chosen without clarification, the cop would have an excuse to go off on him.

That really impressed me.

When I taught interpersonal communication, I would encourage students to talk about these incidents. Did they ever have the stories. The students all had situations with cops subtly setting them up. We discussed how to handle such situations, though obviously when you’re dealing with some LEO in a steroid-induced rage, there are limits.

BaronChocula

(3,146 posts)
14. This violent dynamic is in the American DNA
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:01 AM
Aug 3

In this day and age cops know about omnipresent camera surveillance. Yet their impulses to abuse those they've traditionally abused continue in spite of the higher risks of being caught. Those who can't control their impulses are, well, out of control.

frogstar0

(170 posts)
17. Some, or maybe all dash cams can be spun around to point towards window if you are stoped.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 05:33 AM
Aug 3

The one my daughter has has a camera on the back of the car and the windshield mounted unit. It is easy to turn it to point to your drivers side window.

mitch96

(15,415 posts)
20. After almost getting hit a few times I got a forward facing dash cam... If anything happens you have the proof on video
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:50 PM
Aug 3

the other day I almost got clocked in a very confusing intersection. When I got home I reviewed the vid and I saw the other person was at fault and just pulled out in front of me. I had to hit the brakes hard!!
No accident but I had to change my nappies when I got home...
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