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BumRushDaShow

(158,599 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 06:45 AM Aug 3

'Come to regret': Federal prosecutor warns GOP Bove has already triggered revolt in courts

Source: Raw Story

August 2, 2025 6:48PM ET


Donald Trump may have gotten his way with Emil Bove's confirmation to a lifetime federal judgeship, but the move may already be coming back to haunt Republicans in ways they never anticipated.

Federal prosecutor Brandan Ballou shared significant backlash that he's seeing in the legal system less than a week after Bove was put into his new position. Ballou said is only sounding the alarm publicly because he tried to tell Republicans in private — and all but one completely ignored him.

Bove, Trump's former criminal defense attorney, was added to the prestigious Third Circuit Court of Appeals despite explosive allegations about his conduct as a top Justice Department official. According to Ballou, Bove "behaved like someone who still believed that the president was his client" while supposedly serving the American people.

According to two whistleblowers, the newly-minted judge allegedly urged government lawyers to defy federal court orders halting deportation flights, telling subordinates they might need to consider telling judges "f--k you" if courts tried to stop Trump's agenda. "As a practicing lawyer and former prosecutor, I find this astonishing," wrote Ballou, who worked on January 6 prosecutions. "I have never heard a colleague or opposing counsel propose to ignore a court order; it runs counter to our entire profession."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/emil-bove-2673814231/

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'Come to regret': Federal prosecutor warns GOP Bove has already triggered revolt in courts (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 3 OP
Less than a week to start provoking a backlash. calimary Aug 3 #1
Nothing will be done Dr. Shepper Aug 3 #2
Looks like a few people agree with you NJCher Aug 3 #3
Despite all the negatives on this guy, he gets a lifetime appointment. Katinfl Aug 3 #4
Isn't impeachment... GiqueCee Aug 3 #5
I forgot about impeachment for Bove. Yes, that would be an option. Katinfl Aug 3 #6
It's a fantasy, considering you need 67 votes in the Senate Polybius Aug 3 #21
The only way that would happen is if the Dems are in the majority. Katinfl Aug 3 #24
If the Dems are in the majority... GiqueCee Aug 3 #26
That takes a majority in the House COL Mustard Aug 3 #7
That's why I said, "For now." GiqueCee Aug 3 #8
Stay optimistic, my friend. COL Mustard Aug 3 #15
Not gonna happen Polybius Aug 3 #20
Trump has shit on the plate of so many people Dan Aug 3 #17
I appreciate your optimism and I truly hope you are correct. Katinfl Aug 3 #23
He wasn't put in office by "decent people in America" maxsolomon Aug 4 #35
You mentioned death? I am sure folks will dance in the streets if that happens. Trueblue1968 Aug 3 #22
An honest question PJMcK Aug 3 #9
The 3rd Circuit has 14 "active" (non-senior) judges BumRushDaShow Aug 3 #11
He's 1 of 14 TommyT139 Aug 3 #29
Believe it or not BumRushDaShow Aug 3 #31
We are not giving up. thought crime Aug 3 #16
No one said give up Miguelito Loveless Aug 4 #36
re: "Nothing will be done" -- Something IS being done, that's the point of the article. thesquanderer Aug 3 #14
it seems like there's a universal law NJCher Aug 3 #19
That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. FBaggins Aug 3 #32
Negate Trump. All else is secondary. Then move on. tirebiter Aug 3 #10
Where is that one poster who says "they cant do that"? Hornedfrog2000 Aug 3 #12
Say F-you to his judicial orders? 2na fisherman Aug 3 #13
The Trump kakistocracy continues to grow Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 3 #18
What Ballou says makes no sense to this layman. What possible form could a "legal system backlash" take, anyway. ancianita Aug 3 #25
I have always posted BumRushDaShow Aug 3 #27
And as Americans we have always believed that. ancianita Aug 3 #28
Shouldnt he be removed from the legal profession Progressive dog Aug 3 #30
As some have noted, impeachment isn't very likely, at least not in the foreseeable future. ShazzieB Aug 3 #33
Am thinking that so much shit is breaking that somethings gotta give... All is not lost. Battle on tazcat Aug 3 #34

Dr. Shepper

(3,180 posts)
2. Nothing will be done
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 07:02 AM
Aug 3

Repubs simply do not care. And the American people will continue to vote them in. So there won’t be any consequences.

NJCher

(41,134 posts)
3. Looks like a few people agree with you
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 07:28 AM
Aug 3

So we might as well all give up and live with the corruption. Is that your conclusion?

Katinfl

(457 posts)
4. Despite all the negatives on this guy, he gets a lifetime appointment.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:12 AM
Aug 3

Nothing short of his death will get him off the bench. I am not surprised that the other judges are upset with his appointment and I believe there will be more speaking out.

GiqueCee

(2,709 posts)
5. Isn't impeachment...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:22 AM
Aug 3

Last edited Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

... an option? This psychotic ghoul is evil; anyone with a pulse can see that. But the GOP's corruption is absolute; nothing can be done... for now.

Katinfl

(457 posts)
6. I forgot about impeachment for Bove. Yes, that would be an option.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:28 AM
Aug 3

The only option. We can only hope.

Katinfl

(457 posts)
24. The only way that would happen is if the Dems are in the majority.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:50 PM
Aug 3

Plus, some Republicans would have to cross over and vote for it. Consequently, you are absolutely right.

GiqueCee

(2,709 posts)
26. If the Dems are in the majority...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:42 PM
Aug 3

... and if enough Republicans have a Come-To-Jesus moment and realize that they're going to be even more monumentally fucked if they don't do everything in their power to bring Trump and his evil minions down. Because it's going to happen, one way or another, and the longer they cling to their twisted fantasies, the worse it'll be for them when the hammer does come down,and it's gonna come down HARD.

COL Mustard

(7,554 posts)
7. That takes a majority in the House
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:44 AM
Aug 3

And a 2/3 majority in the Senate. I'd be shocked if it ever happened.

GiqueCee

(2,709 posts)
8. That's why I said, "For now."
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:53 AM
Aug 3

America's disgust with Trump, and Republicans in general, is is a wave growing at an exponential rate. Ya can't turn the tide with a teaspoon, and, when it comes down to it, that's really all these evil fucks have got. 2026 is gonna be... interesting. They'll cheat; they always do, but the numbers will overwhelm them.
I have to go feed my unicorn.

Dan

(4,903 posts)
17. Trump has shit on the plate of so many people
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 12:12 PM
Aug 3

That even I believe that the vast majority of people (decent people in America) will reach the point where enough is enough. So, when that day happens (and I believe it will come sooner rather than later) there will be hell to pay for the GOP. And, I do believe that before 2030 we will see several impeachments at all levels. That is my belief and hope.

PJMcK

(24,140 posts)
9. An honest question
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:56 AM
Aug 3

Last edited Sun Aug 3, 2025, 09:37 AM - Edit history (1)

How does one combat Trump’s corruption? Bove has a lifetime appointment. The only ways he’ll leave the bench are resignation, death or impeachment. I don’t think we can expect any of those any time soon with Bove.

So what do we do?

BumRushDaShow

(158,599 posts)
11. The 3rd Circuit has 14 "active" (non-senior) judges
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 09:20 AM
Aug 3

There are 6 (D)-appointed (Obama & Biden) and now 7 (R)-appointed (Shrub & 45) with 1 vacancy remaining. So assuming the current (D)s manage to hang on (and the vacancy is filled by 45 - although (D)s need to do what they can to block), then it would essentially still be a near-equally divided, but tilt (R), Circuit - (8 (R) - 6 (D) if all vacancies are filled).

Bove is just 1 of 14 and he is certainly not the "Chief" (the Chief being one of the Shrub judges).

https://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/

BumRushDaShow

(158,599 posts)
31. Believe it or not
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 05:17 PM
Aug 3
even GOP-appointed judges are putting off retiring because of what is happening. (link from a couple weeks ago)

The Atlantic just had a piece on this yesterday -

Republicans Might Regret Putting Emil Bove on the Bench

By Brendan Ballou
August 2, 2025, 8 AM ET

(snip)

Since he first took office, in 2017, Trump has maintained the support of Senate Republicans in part through a simple bargain: They put up with his obvious unfitness for office, and in exchange, he appoints reliably conservative judges to the federal courts. But by appointing Bove—whose only apparent loyalty is to his own ambition, not to any particular legal philosophy—the GOP might have limited its own ability to appoint judges in the future. This is because the president typically gets to appoint new judges only when old ones die, retire, or move into the quasi-retirement position of “senior status.” And some judges, even conservative ones who would otherwise be happy to let a Republican president pick their replacement, are likely to delay their retirement rather than hand Trump the opportunity to make more Bove-style appointments.

The evidence suggests that this is already happening. Many federal judges time their retirement based on which party is in power: Democrat-appointed judges are likelier to retire when a Democrat is president, Republican-appointed judges when a Republican is. So far through Trump’s second term, however, conservative judges aren’t retiring at the pace they typically do. An analysis by Bloomberg Law found that 26 judicial seats opened up from the beginning of the year through the first five months of Trump’s first term, as did 57 judicial seats during the same period of Joe Biden’s presidency. By contrast, through June 1 of his second term, Trump gained just 16 vacancies to fill. Ursula Ungaro, a retired judge appointed by George W. Bush, told Bloomberg Law that she’d heard a “hint or two” that her former peers “would stay beyond their eligibility for senior status to see what happens toward the end of the Trump administration.”

(snip)

thought crime

(685 posts)
16. We are not giving up.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 12:10 PM
Aug 3

But we are forced to watch as mobsters take power. 1930's Germany revisited. And tens of millions of "Americans" are cheering it on.

Miguelito Loveless

(5,140 posts)
36. No one said give up
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 03:02 PM
Aug 4

but the reality is they are going to do whatever they want, and the GOP and the SCOTUS will uphold it.

thesquanderer

(12,732 posts)
14. re: "Nothing will be done" -- Something IS being done, that's the point of the article.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 11:01 AM
Aug 3

The paragraphs quoted from the article are missing the key portion that justifies the headline:

But here's where Trump's gambit is backfiring on the Republican Party, Ballou wrote. Conservative judges are apparently so alarmed by appointments like Bove that they're refusing to retire, denying Trump future vacancy opportunities.

NJCher

(41,134 posts)
19. it seems like there's a universal law
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 12:39 PM
Aug 3

that mandates backfiring on republicans.

it also might be related to their inability to think things through.

In thinking things through, you assess the potential outcomes, both positive and negative. If I do (a), what good results might happen? If I do (b), what negative impacts might happen? They only think of the benefit; I rarely if ever have them see a negative outcome to their action.

A good example right now is trump's big idea to redistrict Texas, which has resulted in California taking action.

FBaggins

(28,384 posts)
32. That's wishful thinking I'm afraid.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 06:32 PM
Aug 3

The first Trump administration saw a flood of retirements because we had just seen eight strong years of Obama (the first two with a sizable Democratic majority in the Senate) that ended with a Republican senate blocking appointments. Blue judges expected Hillary to win and Democrats to retake the senate... yet it didn't happen. Many of them just tried to hold on for four more years... and thus there were a flood of openings for Biden to fill... just as there had been a flood of Republicans to replace when Trump suprisingly won.

That well has been tapped out. It isn't a surprise because there isn't much of a backlog of red judges looking to retire. The good news is that there shouldn't be any blue judges left absent health issues except the handful who retracted their retirement when Trump won.

The next driver will be next Spring if it looks like we have a chance of retaking the Senate (I don't think they fear that right now). Absent that, they'll next guess what chances republicans have in 2028. But I doubt there are many (if any) who will hold out if it looks like a blue senate and a progressive president.

Hornedfrog2000

(753 posts)
12. Where is that one poster who says "they cant do that"?
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 10:09 AM
Aug 3

Que that one person who says they can't do that because it is illegal.

2na fisherman

(55 posts)
13. Say F-you to his judicial orders?
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 11:01 AM
Aug 3

What happens when HIS orders and rulings are disobeyed?
And aren't there subtle ways that some of his staff attorneys and clerks can mess up the smooth functioning of his office? His personal and professional life must be an open book from now on. Gather evidence of his ongoing corruption. Always associate his name with judicial impeachment. Leak interesting stories about him to the press. Make him wish he was never appointed to the bench.

ancianita

(41,436 posts)
25. What Ballou says makes no sense to this layman. What possible form could a "legal system backlash" take, anyway.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:32 PM
Aug 3

As it stands, the reason Bove acted like Trump's client is because over time, Trump has learned that the courts have no enforcement mechanisms against him, including the US Supreme Court.
That federal courts can't enforce contempt rulings means that they can't even bother to rule contempt from the bench because they know the courts will be publicly revealed as toothless under current rule of law structure.
Trump has learned that US courts' inability to enforce rulings stands as the achilles heel of our entire federal judicial system.
Add to that the fact that federal judges' lives and their families lives are now threatened, and "here come da judge" like Bove to run what amount to kangaroo courts.

BumRushDaShow

(158,599 posts)
27. I have always posted
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:42 PM
Aug 3

that the American governmental construction operated on "the honor system".

I.e., when one team "wins" and the other "loses", the losing team sucks it up and says "good game" and the winning team doesn't prance around gloating at the losers but will "shake hands" and say "good game".

So when a judge says - "no", then you accept that or appeal. And when the highest court says "no", that is that and you accept it (and perhaps try to find a way to change things).

However 45 and his criminal cabal have completely blown up the "honor system" and this type of sentiment has actually been evolving over time, even at the lowest levels of the sports world (including youth sports), where literal fights break out. It often invokes the old proverb of "spare the rod, spoil the child".

ancianita

(41,436 posts)
28. And as Americans we have always believed that.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:52 PM
Aug 3

Now the reality is that privatized power has thrown 'the honor system' to the wind.

The reality now is that unenforced "rule of law" has also been thrown to the wind.

The reality is that now that 'the honor system' is optional, lawless business and dark money grip this government, and soon this country. Bove reveals that bought judges exist to do the bidding of privatizers, using some rule of law veneer for the rest of us, while using the 'honor among thieves' system that has always existed in mafia run countries. We have a protection racket run government. Do what the privatizers say or we the people humans (for whom the near-unenforceable constitution was written) lose liberty, life, and property.

Progressive dog

(7,520 posts)
30. Shouldnt he be removed from the legal profession
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:11 PM
Aug 3

by his colleagues? I thought the legal profession had tough ethical standards.

ShazzieB

(21,417 posts)
33. As some have noted, impeachment isn't very likely, at least not in the foreseeable future.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 07:57 PM
Aug 3

In THEORY, he could be impeached. But the sniveling, Trump worshipping Republicans in the Senate who approved his appointment would never vote to remove him, even IF the sniveling Trump worshipping Republicans in the Senate were to actually impeach him.

I rea.ly wonder what might happen if Schlump were to kick the bucket before this term is over. If he was suddenly no longer around to threaten them with being primaries or worse, would some of them maybe regret some of the things they've done on his behalf and want to clean up some of the resulting messes for legacy reasons and/or for the sake of not getting massacred by their constituents in the next election? It would have to be s lot of them, and they'd have to be willing to get busy pretty fast, but things could get interesting for a while.

It's all speculation, of course, and I wouldn't even be thinking about it if he wasn't looking so strikingly unwell these days. But speculation can be fun and even therapeutic, as long as one remembers not to get one's hopes up!

tazcat

(139 posts)
34. Am thinking that so much shit is breaking that somethings gotta give... All is not lost. Battle on
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 08:00 PM
Aug 3
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