To try making it sound legitimate. He wants the land, he wants the people gone. If he can't do it by starvation, he'll just start deporting mass numbers, like his partner in crime, trump.

Its all about greed, and has been for a long time now.

He and Trump can be cell mates.

Bolsonaro, for one.

It will never end if this happens.

never has to face the charges against him.

He doesn't want it to end....he gets to keep killing (by proxy, of course). He'll move on to full scale war against the Palestinians in the West Bank the second Gaza is emptied out for Settlements, hotels, resorts, and the natural gas deposits off the coast that he covets.

It won't end.

This is a crusades/religious war - not a land war. As much as the Palestinians and Israelis want us to believe it's about land - it's a Crusade.

My dad was an uber cold warrior - first class of Green Berets - military officer. In 1982 he became a pacifist. He believed the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon was the first salvo in this crusade.

Dear God - XTC

Dear God, sorry to disturb you, but
I feel that I should be heard loud and clear
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears
And all the people that you made in your image
See them fighting in the street
'Cause they can't make opinions meet about God

with men who use religion as a bludgeon to kill a lot of people who just want to live.

Religion, in my opinion, is the worst thing humanity has come up with, it divides far more than it brings people together and has been the pretext for so many wars. I'm sick to death of people killing in the name of their various "gods".

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

This is a 100 year crusade.

This also makes The War of the Roses look like child's play.

is that the robber barons, oligarchs, or whatever you want to call the super rich, have convinced the "lower classes" that we are all each other's enemy, so we don't fight back as they take everything from us.

The proposal to make Gaza into a militarized zone is the only way Israel can stop being attacked by land or air.

Once that happens, the POS can be removed by the people of Israel. But to do that Israelis have to be alive and Israel's civilian government operable again.

setting up a militarized zone all around Israel (north, east and south) will buy Israel time to continue existing, and will slow down, if not stop, Israel's enemies from attacking it and its people. What Biden has said about America being an "idea" also holds true for Israel.

What Israel knows and others here conveniently forget are these fundamentals:
Israel's enemies are in a forever war against Israel.
All of Israel's enemies fundamentally oppose the existence of a Jewish state, though Israel has never opposed the existence of any Muslim state.
Muslim states have in writing, right now, that they are Israel's enemy; but Israel itself does not even say, much less write, that Muslim states are their enemy.
Therefore to exist, Israel must remain forever vigilant, well armed, and defend itself against what is the forever genocidal goal of its enemies.

I am not your enemy because you've declared yourself my enemy.
And if we can peacefully coexist, that is an evolved state of being to be desired.
We also know from historical and recent facts, which side intentionally continues to not desire that.

...Israeli government does not deserve to annex extra territory just because they have a lot of religious fundamentalists who claim to think that their favorite mythological character gave them the right to occupy that extra land any more than Hamas has a right to destroy Israel in service of its chosen belief system.

Ultimately, Israel had a right to open offensive action against Hamas, but at the rate that they are carrying this operation out and due to the seeming circumstances in Gaza (famine, war crimes, etc.), it is hard to see Israel either getting the remaining hostages back or deciding to stop this before they seem likely to kill 100,000 to 500,000 people in Gaza. Even if it were arguable that what is happening now is not directly a willful genocide, continuing this operation much longer will likely be undeniably so, and it is unlikely that anyone will forgive Israel for that act. So, Israel, by taking the course that it seems irrevocably to have chosen in response to Oct. 7, is likely doing severe harm to its own future.

Additionally, it does not help that Israel does not allow foreign journalists into Gaza to report. So, there is no credible source of reliable information available: the restriction makes the situation appear to be purely a battle of Hamas propaganda versus Israeli propaganda. Add to that the fact, that Israel seems often "accidentally" to kill people who are peace activists (Rachel Corrie), journalists (Shireen Abu Akleh), or sailors from friendly nations (the USS Liberty), and one has to take what is reported by the IDF with almost as much salt as what one hears from the Hamas-run sources.

There has to be a ceasefire now, a flood of humanitarian aid, a plan to replace Hamas with a neutral authority strong enough to permanently exclude Hamas, and much more likely than not, a change in the Israeli government from its right-wing fundamentalist coalition to one that is much more centrist and understands the need for building a future for both Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Lastly, if you don't think that the fundamentalists in Israel are as much of a problem as Hamas, please recall who killed Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin on the brink of the Oslo peace accords. It was Yigal Amir, a right-wing fundamentalist Israeli. Had Rabin not been assassinated, it is quite possible that things might have gone quite a bit differently during these last thirty years.

anger against Yitzhak Rabin!
I never forgot that. 🙁

There has to be a ceasefire now, a flood of humanitarian aid, a plan to replace Hamas with a neutral authority strong enough to permanently exclude Hamas, and much more likely than not, a change in the Israeli government from its right-wing fundamentalist coalition to one that is much more centrist and understands the need for building a future for both Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Lastly, if you don't think that the fundamentalists in Israel are as much of a problem as Hamas, please recall who killed Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin on the brink of the Oslo peace accords. It was Yigal Amir, a right-wing fundamentalist Israeli. Had Rabin not been assassinated, it is quite possible that things might have gone quite a bit differently during these last thirty years.

First highlight:

These humanitarian things Israel has done in past conflicts.

From 2013 to 2018, Israel provided medical treatment, food, fuel, water, and clothing to Syrians living near the border, affected by the civil war.
Thousands of Syrians, including children and injured rebel fighters, received treatment in Israeli hospitals and in Syrian territory through mobile clinics.
Israel also supplied fuel for heating and bakeries, as well as generators, water pipes, and school equipment to communities in southern Syria.
In Gaza:
Despite the ongoing conflict and restrictions, Israel, during the first year of this war, allowed and facilitated the entry of humanitarian aid, including food, water, medicine, and fuel, into Gaza.

Timeline of Israel's humanitarian efforts:
October 18: Israel announces it will allow food, water, and medicine to be delivered to a designated "safe zone" in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, and be distributed by the UN.
October 21: The first humanitarian aid trucks are allowed into Gaza since the conflict began.
November 2023
Mid-November: Israel, under pressure from the United States, permits the entry of fuel into Gaza for hospitals, water and sanitation facilities, bakeries, and telecommunication services.
December 2023
Israel reopens the Kerem Shalom crossing, Gaza's main gateway for goods, to allow more aid into the territory.
February 2024
February 29: After a tragic aid convoy incident where over 100 Palestinians reportedly died, Israel opens a new crossing, allows more airdrops, and develops new aid routes, including one from Jordan.
March 2024
March 18: WFP delivers 18 truckloads of food supplies to Gaza City, the second convoy to use a coordinated route into Gaza City and the north.
May 2025
Early May: The United States announces a new system for providing humanitarian aid via private companies with Israeli military guarding distribution centers, creating the "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation" (GHF).
May 19: Israel resumes trucked aid deliveries, with 1,459 trucks reaching the Kerem Shalom crossing between May 19 and June 11, according to AJC.
July 2025
July 29: Israel launches daily humanitarian pauses (10 a.m. – 8 p.m.) and secured humanitarian corridors (6 a.m. – 11 p.m.), coordinated with the UN, to expand aid access.

Israel has coordinated with international organizations like the UN and the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) to deliver aid, including through humanitarian pauses, corridors, and airdrops.

According to AIPAC, Israel has facilitated the entry of hundreds of thousands of tons of aid, including food, water, medical supplies, and fuel, into Gaza since the October 7th attacks.

Israel's humanitarian efforts have not been recognized, but that doesn't mean that Israel gets NO CREDIT for trying.

NOR WILL HAMAS LET ITSELF BE REPLACED, since its leadership is now spread out and shielded in Turkey, Lebanon, and previously had a political office in Doha, Qatar.

Re the second highlight:
Yes, a right wing Israeli assassinated Yitzhak Rabin; nevertheless, the Oslo Peace Accords were attained.
Yet in spite of the Oslo Peace Accords, Israel was attacked by Palestine that same year, 1993.

Granted for the sake of argument that things today might be different had Rabin not been assassinated, one can easily make these claims nevertheless:

a) the Hamas Charter still calls for genocide against Israel, forever;
b) Hamas leaders are giving up absolutely nothing;
c) to blame Israel, the past victim of 15 unprovoked attacks and now a 16th, does not help Israel exist;
d) Israel knows that because of its enemies' forever war, Israel is on its own;
e) Israel -- given no choice by its enemies -- is finally attempting to guarantee that this war for its existence will be Israel's last, even if it won't be in reality;
d) If anyone outside Israel, wittingly or unwittingly, wants more unjust peace for Israel even more than its continued safety as a nation -- which then means that Israel must forever live with muslim terrorist groups' or muslim states' attacks by bombings, rockets, long range missiles; and that Israelis' must forever live with the rapes, tortures, killings, and kidnappings of innocent Jews and other civilians within Israel's borders -- that if anyone wants anything else less for Israel than its safety and peace as a sovereign nation, then they strengthen the side of anti-Zionist muslim attackers;
No one outside Israel can have this final war both ways. No one outside Israel can have the final say.

This war is all 100% on Hamas and their leaders' forever war on Israel -- and the muslim nations that protect Hamas' leaders.
Every death.
100% on Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/after-limited-security-meeting-sources-say-pm-set-on-full-occupation-of-gaza-despite-knowing-it-will-endanger-hostages/

The IDF currently holds control over approximately 75 percent of the Gaza Strip, but under the new plan, the military would be expected to occupy the remaining territory as well, bringing the entire enclave under Israeli control.

One source tells Kan that the government is aware that the military campaign to gain full control over Gaza will likely endanger the remaining hostages, of whom 20 are believed to be alive.

The report says that the IDF and the defense establishment remain opposed to the plan, in part because it puts the hostages in danger of being executed by their captors should troops approach where they are being held.

If Gaza is starving how would they even get food?

Behind some sock puppet "government"

Why should Israel give Bibi an entire country just to get rid of him?
Because Trump blackmails them into doing it with the U.S. funding that he (and not zombified congress) controls.

I love a good ideological battle (NOT) but the world is all about money, and nothing else.

Soliciting names for the "New Gaza"



This was so prophetic, even though fake as hell.

there is also a great deal of money to be made by control of the Gaza gas fields that are off-shore. Whoever has control can make huge sums just by being able to sign their signature to changing any previous development agreements and changing them to ones that pour money into their own pockets.

Money, land, expansion of Israel.

Hundred of billions of dollars, close to half a trillion, maybe more, from Gaza's gas fields. Theft of resources that belong to Palestinians, as has been the tradition since 1947 - when the ethnic cleansing and dispossession started.

Do you think the war was about creating a "Gaza Riviera" for Trump and Kushner? I don't. People who believe that don't understand Israel's trajectory and long-term goals. Or they are looking for cover for Israel's blatant theft by projecting it to those vile two people.

Israel's right-wing has already announced it wants to "settle" 1.2 million Israeli Jews into Gaza. Will they have to compete for beachfront property with the developers?

I guess that half a trillion in stolen wealth will be used to make the settlers "comfortable" in their new home, among other Israeli priorities. Ugh.

And the natural gas fields belong to PA, not Hamas.

Netanyahu has been insisting from the first discovery of the fields that the gas be carried through Israeli government facilities. I think he is looking forward to full annexation of both Gaza and the West Bank and making the PA something in name only.

A far as I am aware, it is still in effect today.

I doubt very much that Israel, Netanyahu or not, is interested in annexing Gaza. There are good reasons why Israel (under an earlier Likud PM Sharon) disengaged from the territory, but that's a whole other issue.

A two state solution is now more likely than ever - all the Arab states that have been against it for the past 80 years are on board with it now. The right wing Netanyahu coalition will most likely not outlast the next election, and Netanyahu as a political leader is not likely to last even that long.

But even assuming the most extreme scenario of Netanyahu's right wing remaining in power and annexing both Gaza and the West Bank, Egypt still has a legitimate claim to the Gaza fields. Netanyahu will certainly not annex Egypt, under any fantastic scenario.

Besides, Israel has far greater deposits of gas in the Leviathan basin, in its own commercial maritime zone, with no inconvenient and/or hostile partners to share it with. If Israel ever decides to annex the West Bank, it will not be for the control of the Gaza basin, but for the control of Judea and Samaria, the so-called "promised land". This is of far greater significance to Israel's religious right wing than the Gaza fields.

Whether or not the religious right can hold on to power without the shrinking Likud and Netanyahu, is a big question.

a daily basis. My point being that anything currently in place does not mean it will remain in place and Egypt could be left with an agreement to provide service to something that is little more than a P.O Box. The bottom line is that if Netanyahu patrols it he controls it and what will be allowed and under what terms and payments will be a "negotiation" otherwise access doesn't have to happen easily.

They can't be fully defeated. They can be weakened but not eliminated.

Which anyone who comes into Gaza to rebuild after this conflict is over will find out.

No one living in an occupied territory is going to willingly forgo freedom. there will be a constant insurgency because of this. They will see themselves as freedom fighters against an occupying fascist govt. It won't need to be taught to the young, they will internalize it with every day that passes, everyone denied freedom of movement and life. Israel.and hammas have been going tit for tat, interspersed with larger killings on both sides, for decades now. Nothing ever changes. Perhaps Israel should create a country on land given by a willing country. I realize Israel is on land it claims as given by God but so do Muslims. One problem is that three different interpretations of the same "book" rather than uniting people tear them apart. And then you have the power mongers like bibi and trump who want to develop it into a resort, as well as take advantage of the oil. I think I also heard years ago there may be rare earth minerals, as well... but I may be thinking of Afghanistan instead.

I just keep thinking if you have two boys who can't stand one another and fight down and dirty all the time you don't keep putting them in situations where they're in each other's face. You separate them and keep them apart as much as you can. Israel making itself a military enclave by taking more land from the Palestinians to use as a buffer zone, is just setting things up to circle all over again and again and again. And Israel's Minister calling all Palestinian children the enemy isn't going to go over well with anyone. Whether by bombing, starvation, or killing all of the next generation, genocide is still genocide. I'm not against Israelis or Palestinians, as people. I do think govts of both sides, actual or de facto, have been in the US or them mindset too long to think any other way. And more is the pity for it.

We're living Hitler 2.0 before making sure what was broke in Hitler 1.0 got fixed. Things are never black and white, but people in power don't know how to work with shades of grey or at least it doesn't seem like they want to. I'm not old enough to remember when Israel was created, but all my life I've heard of the terror and strife of both sides and it hurts the heart. Yes, Israel deserves to exist. There are too many the world over who bear the Jewish people ill will. But Palestinians also deserve their country, I still wonder how any PTB thought this would work.

Supporting Israel like this involves the US with monies and arms.

It has been TACO Don's desire to be a war-time President. Hamas cannot be eliminated, just as the Viet Cong and the NVA could not be eliminated. Groups throughout the Middle East just might be encouraged to join forces against Israel and the United States. ISIS has not been eliminated. TACO Don does not think things out.

The tunnels are gone. What they've got left in their arsenal is unknown.

The Viet Cong wouldn't have sustained their struggle without China's supplies.

"The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it the military wing of Hamas, every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory,"
-Moshe Feiglin

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/moshe-feiglin-every-baby-in-gaza-is-an-enemy-ex-israeli-lawmakers-shocking-remarks-8477020

Moshe Feiglin’s appalling call for the extermination of Gazan children is not just a window into a genocidal worldview—it shatters any claim to moral credibility he or his defenders might assert. This isn't politics. It's an open endorsement of war crimes and a chilling invocation of ethnic cleansing, reminiscent of humanity’s darkest eras. To label infants as enemies and dress up mass murder as “victory” is not an act of strength—it’s the deranged rhetoric of people utterly severed from basic human decency. If the international community had any resolve, Feiglin’s name would already stand alongside the architects of genocide. Instead, we witness a deafening silence from global leaders, as the children he vilifies continue to suffer and die. Let it be clear: this is not self-defense. This is a call to annihilate. And history will remember who stood against it, and who said nothing.

Anyone defending this isn't defending democracy or Israel, they’re defending genocide, the murder of innocents, and fascism.

"Moshe Zalman Feiglin (Hebrew: מֹשֶׁה זַלְמָן פֶייגְּלִין; born 31 July 1962) is a right libertarian-leaning Israeli politician and activist, and the leader of libertarian Zionist party Zehut. As a member of Likud, he headed the Manhigut Yehudit (Jewish Leadership) faction within the party, and represented Likud in the Knesset between 2013 and 2015"

So in a sense, Hamas is getting what they wanted.