Damn bastards kissing Trump ass.

USAF are cowards.

seems to be a "feature" of these conservative perverts

fucking DISGUSTING

People who have served for that long have the experience and knowledge that make up the backbone of the military. This is a very shortsighted decision and I hope it comes back to bite those responsible in the ass.

Also in the field and in the air when the enemy is trying to kill you, it doesn't matter
who the troops are who have your back. They are going to save your life, period.
They are important.

they are not illegal.

And, the Supreme Court (minus the liberals) has ruled that this bullshit can continue.

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-transgender-military-ban-ef67038857bd5b99e128bf0b8866afb4

Next Trump will order the USAF to shoot or bomb American citizens on US soil.

Jackasses.

This is a rotten thing to do to people who served honorably.

I always thought the USAF was the best branch of service, the most superb in every way.

I don't feel that way any longer.

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If a person serves honorably then they should be able to retire just like everyone else and not because of their gender identity. This reminds me of the 1970s when gays wanted to serve openly in the military. Eventually, the were accepted and while some personnel didn't like it gays had the same opportunities that others had. I knew people who were openly gay in the 1970s and 80s and they did their jobs just like everyone else did.

Transgender people were accepted by the AF to serve and they signed an enlistment contract committing to serve. As long as they performed their duties and were held to the standards everyone else was held to then there's not reason, other that bigotry, for them to continuing to serve.

I hope those that are being discharges and/or denied retirement sue the AF and the federal government for discrimination and breach of contract.

especially near Colorado Springs.

I loved being an AF kid.

My dad flew combat in three wars and didn't care who the hell had his back.
Someone saving his life and the rest of the crew was A-1 to him.

I am glad he is not alive to see this crap.

My father's words to me, when I told him I was going to enlist in the military were "Enlist in the Air Force. They take care of their own." (He had been an Army Medic in WWII).

Today, the Air Force is going back on its promise to those who offered their all for this country. Shame on them, and shame on the U.S. for allowing this to happen.

I will never recommend public service of any kind (civilian or military) to anyone until this country is back on the right track and looks like it's going to stay that course. Until then, it's a losing proposition all around... for the individual who asks if it's worth it, and for the country that's no longer deserving of it. IMO... YMMV (but right now, I'm very opinionated about it!)

Of the level of professionalism the draft dodger is purging.

Fuck you, Krasnov.

"Bree Fram is the President of SPARTA and an active duty lieutenant colonel in the US Space Force. SPARTA advocates and educates about transgender military service and is dedicated to the support and professional development of over 1300 transgender service members. A member of SPARTA since 2014, she focuses on policy and advocacy work to develop a more inclusive military.

Lt Col Fram came out as transgender on the day the transgender ban in the military was dropped in 2016. She is currently the highest ranking out transgender officer in the Department of Defense. Bree is assigned to the Pentagon to lead space acquisition policy development for the Department of the Air Force

Bree previously served in a wide variety of Air Force positions including a Research and Development command position and an oversight role for all Air Force security cooperation activity with Iraq. In earlier assignments, Lt Col Fram served in the Air Force Directorate of Strategic Plans, as a Legislative Fellow at the US Capitol on the staff of Congresswoman Madeleine Bordallo, several tours as a program manager for satellite and technology programs, and deployed to Qatar and Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Bree has appeared on ABC and NBC Nightly news, PBS News Hour, and NPR’s All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Her writing has been featured in the Washington Post, Military Times, Inkstick, and LGBTQ Nation. She is the co-editor of the book With Honor and Integrity: Transgender Troops in Their Own Words from NYU press which released in November 2021."

https://aiaa.org/people/bree-fram/#:~:text=AIAA%20SciTech%20Forum%202022&text=Bree%20Fram%20is%20the%20President,develop%20a%20more%20inclusive%20military.&text=Bree%20previously%20served%20in%20a,which%20released%20in%20November%202021.

Along with the typical "transgenderism is mental illness" rhetoric I'm reading assertions that trans service members have been serving "under false pretenses" in order to have their "illness" legitimized by the military and have thus disgraced themselves AND the service. They further assert that this move is returning honor to the branch.
...as if volunteering to serve and potentially die for one's country isn't honorable.

The downward spiral is just so damned depressing.

W T F is the matter with those unAmerican shits? George Washington never lost a battle after Baron Von Stuben,
a Prussian Gay Man started working with him and the man who invented much of the modern computer, Turing,
who broke the code to the German U-boat wolfpacks which shortened WW II and saved God only knows how many
lives was a homosexual who committed suicide shortly after the war because he was being prosecuted by the British
Government under their sodomy laws.

Quick tip from a straight man about people who are worried about “gay issues.” Don’t have sex with men, problem
solved. Btw what % of them are closet cases too?

The minor thing: The Equal Protection Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment. The Due Process clause of the Fifth Amendment might have some application if the courts can be convinced these folks have a property interest in retirements benefits which have not yet accrued.

The big thing: I am concerned that the current SCOTUS will stand by precedent that gender identification is a suspect class.

That time has passed.

I had little confidence in that view but hoped like hell that you would be right.

TERA is an option that the military can offer to those with 15 or more years of service, but it's not an entitlement.

18 years or more is kind of a safe harbor - very, very hard to put anyone out after 18 years except for misconduct.

I remember sweating promotion to Lieutenant Colonel (O-5) because if I was not promoted, I would have been under 18 years when I was separated under up-or-out.

the ban on transgender military members can proceed (along with Hegseth's disgusting stealing benefits policy).

Worth a thought, eh.

...Patriots.

😬

The terms are specific and we cannot just quit.

Disallowing a legal retirement pension would be a Breach of Contract, IMO.

See you in court, AGAIN!

Service members cannot quit but there are numerous ways they can be fired.

I question that a service member can be fired based on gender identification but it will take court action to answer that question. I have very little (disappearingly little) confidence in the current SCOTUS on this issue.

of the grab your crotch and grunt crowd makes them more “manly”?

These folks and their families risk life and limb for this country. They met their commitment. Military should meet theirs.

My GBE (Gonna Be Ex) has the same character of the US military under Trump. Sorry…too much about me :-/

PS…Sorry to disrespect Mother F-ers

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As the surviving spouse of a Retired Military person, I am appalled at how the LGBTQ+ community who have served with dignity and grace for a country and an Administration that does not want them to even exist. To deny them Veteran's benefits and services that they rightfully earned is a stain and disgrace.

The last lines of the National Anthem states "The Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave" will have lost its meaning. My husband is perhaps as riled in death at this move by the very branch of service he served in his early adult years and later on for 18 additional years, with the MN Army and Air National Guard; as I am in this life and country I used to be proud of.

I'm pretty sure anyone who sues over this will win

If someone would otherwise have qualified for early retirement, then I don't see any legal reason why they can deny them now. They apparently were in fact offered early retirement only to be rescinded now. Just my opinion, but I don't see a valid legal basis for this so I think a potential lawsuit is a very strong one.

If the separation is lawful; and I have my doubts, if the separation occurs before qualifying for retirement, there is no retirement.

to file for early retirement. SO yes, they have qualified for retirement. Early retirement has been available to non-trans service members. They are only being denied because they are trans. It's straight up discrimination.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DNEbqe2xJ3l/

A service member can be granted early retirement as a matter of grace. There is a semi-safe harbor at 18 years but short of that.....

The best challenge to this outrage is to attack the separation. Trump issued a regulatory change making gender dysphoria service disqualifying. I have serious doubts whether this is consistent with statute or the Constitution.

Oh yeah. They have already told us he doesn't honor contracts. Fights them in court for years until they are bankrupt or give up.

I guess we should have listened to them.

At the very least, they actually served.

Repugs are disgusting excuses for humans.

I didn't make the Air Force my career, but these folks did. It is disgraceful what is happening to them . Disgraceful!

People aren't they?

Anything this administration can do to be cruel to marginalized populations, they'll do.

they want us to be outraged while they throw red meat to their base and screw people who served our country and deserve benefits.

So much for "support the troops". GOP are full of it