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LetMyPeopleVote

(168,783 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 09:46 AM Aug 11

Judge denies DOJ bid to unseal Ghislaine Maxwell grand jury records

Last edited Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: NBC

U.S. District Judge Paul A. Engelmayer said anyone who was following the Jeffrey Epstein case would "learn next to nothing new" by reading the grand jury materials.

A federal judge on Monday denied the Department of Justice’s request to unseal grand jury materials in Ghislaine Maxwell’s criminal case.

In his 31-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Paul A. Engelmayer, a Barack Obama appointee, says that the grand jury materials do not identify anyone other than Epstein or Maxwell as having had sexual contact with a minor......

“Its entire premise — that the Maxwell grand jury materials would bring to light meaningful new information about Epstein’s and Maxwell’s crimes, or the Government’s investigation into them—is demonstrably false,” he wrote.

Engelmayer said that the government’s submissions failed to prove its claim that the grand jury materials “contained undisclosed information of significant historical or public interest.” He said that “with only very minor exceptions,” the evidence from the Maxwell grand juries is “a matter of public record.”



Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-denies-doj-bid-unseal-ghislaine-maxwell-grand-jury-records-rcna224274



NY judge denies DOJ bid to unseal grand jury records in Ghislaine Maxwell case www.nydailynews.com/2025/08/11/n...

Ray Beckerman (@raybeckerman.bsky.social) 2025-08-11T14:21:05.411Z
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LetMyPeopleVote

(168,783 posts)
1. Claim that they wanted to release the Epstein grand jury records to shed new light on the case is "demonstrably false."
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 09:49 AM
Aug 11

ENGELMEYER says the Trump administration’s claim that they wanted to release the Epstein grand jury records to shed new light on the case is “demonstrably false.” storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.us...

Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney.bsky.social) 2025-08-11T13:40:33.908Z

FalloutShelter

(13,726 posts)
3. No shit. This is just their weak feint...
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:27 AM
Aug 11

"We wanted to release all the testimony, but the Courts prevented it."

They are so ridiculously transparent, yet they get their way with the MSM.

Scrivener7

(56,889 posts)
4. Because of course they do. Ghislaine doesn't want them out, and if Taco wants
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:31 AM
Aug 11

her to uphold her end of the deal, he'll keep them from coming out.

And it wouldn't do him any good to have a proven child rapist as his character reference.

PSPS

(14,844 posts)
5. This is normal. GJ transcripts offer little detail anyway.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 10:44 AM
Aug 11

What's needed are the DOJ documents with the evidence, which aren't usually used or needed in a GJ session since the bar in a GJ is merely probable cause. And even this wouldn't involve what they have as evidence against epstein anyway. That was a different case.

truthisfreedom

(23,457 posts)
6. Predictable.
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:03 AM
Aug 11

It’s something the admin knew would be refused. That’s why they chose it. Enough with the distractions, let’s see the files.

IbogaProject

(4,848 posts)
8. Here is a large collection of details about T47 and Epstein I found on Reddit
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 11:34 AM
Aug 11

I check https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/ some to keep up with the memes floating around and to get nuggets about current events that are circulating online but not published by mainstream media.

Here is a large list of items on this scandal I found in a reply to a tread about T47 blocking the release of material he is clearly listed all over.


Let us all not forget when talking about Trump and Epstein:

Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/

Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.



—————————other Epstein Information

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube:


Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Jeffrey Epstein and Israel have both have the same lawyer Alan Dershowitz Dershowitz says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on international stage | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid

—————————other Trump information:

Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show:
?si=vBs75kaxPjJJThka

Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”

Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too!

AND

Reminder:

• ⁠Trump Confesses He Was ‘Sexually Attracted’ to Ivanka When She Was 13 Years Old

• ⁠https://www.politicalflare.com/2024/07/trump-confesses-he-was-sexually-attracted-to-ivanka-when-she-was-13-year-old/

• ⁠Donald Trump called his own daughter a ‘voluptuous piece of a**’ in yet more lewd comments threatening to derail his White House bid

• ⁠https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1940073/donald-trump-called-his-own-daughter-a-voluptuous-piece-of-a-in-yet-more-lewd-comments-threatening-to-derail-his-white-house-bid

• ⁠Donald Trump Once Joked He and Ivanka Have “Sex” in Common

• ⁠https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/donald-trump-once-joked-he-ivanka-have-sex-common-941600/

• ⁠Trump’s lewd talk about daughter Ivanka in front of White House staff recalled in new book

• ⁠https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/trumps-lewd-talk-about-daughter-ivanka-in-front-of-white-house-staff-recalled-in-new-book/

According to The New Republic, “’Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led [former Chief of Staff] John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,’ Taylor, who served as a Department of Homeland Security chief of staff under Trump, wrote in his book.”

• ⁠"You remind me of my daughter": Stormy Daniels testifies that Trump compared her to Ivanka

• ⁠https://www.salon.com/2024/05/07/you-remind-me-of-my-daughter-stormy-daniels-testifies-that-compared-her-to-ivanka/#:~:text=At%20one%20point%2C%20Daniels%20said,his%20underwear%20on%20the%20bed.

• ⁠Donald Trump's comments about daughter raise eyebrows

• ⁠https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/11/donald-trump-comments-about-daughter-ivanka-feyerick-dnt-erin.cnn

• ⁠Trump told Howard Stern it’s OK to call Ivanka a ‘piece of a--'

• ⁠https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-ivanka-piece-of-ass-howard-stern-229376

• ⁠Trump: ‘If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her’

• ⁠https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

• ⁠Trump on Ivanka: ‘She has the ‘best body’ — and I created her’

• ⁠https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/

• ⁠Trump: ‘Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife’?

• ⁠https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tamerragriffin/trump-asked-if-its-wrong-to-be-attracted-to-his-daughter#.muLN7d3M2

• ⁠Trump Encouraged His Own Daughter Ivanka to Release a Sex Tape, and She Was Horrified

• ⁠https://www.salon.com/2019/08/06/donald-trump-encouraged-his-eldest-daughter-to-release-a-sex-tape_partner/

Bonus:

• ⁠Trump: commenting on his 1-year-old daughter Tiffany’s breasts. He also says “she’s got Marla’s legs.”

Double Bonus:

For the better part of two decades starting in the late 1980s, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump swam in the same social pool. They were neighbors in Florida. They jetted from LaGuardia to Palm Beach together. They partied at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and dined at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion.

• ⁠https://archive.md/XK0A7#selection-655.0-655.290

and...

MC2 (pronounced MC squared) was the modeling agency that Epstein, Brunel, and the mob would use to get trafficked girls into the US with “genius visas”

• ⁠https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-scoops/former-model-agent-close-to-jeffrey-epstein-found-hanged-1235085929/

and...

Nicknamed the "Einstein Visa", the EB-1 is in theory reserved for people who are highly acclaimed in their field - the government cites Pulitzer, Oscar, and Olympic winners as examples - as well as respected academic researchers and multinational executives.

Mrs Trump began applying for the visa in 2000, when she was Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model working in New York and dating Donald Trump. She was approved in 2001, one of just five people from Slovenia to win the coveted visa that year, according to the Post.

• ⁠https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318

groundloop

(13,226 posts)
10. Anything released by the gov. will have been thoroughly whitewashed .....
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 12:11 PM
Aug 11

It's pointless even thinking about the government releasing anything related to tRump and Epstein, it'll have been scrubbed clean and "prove" tRump's innocence.

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,783 posts)
11. Deadline: Legal Blog-Judge denies Trump DOJ motion to unseal Maxwell grand jury transcripts and exhibits
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 02:21 PM
Aug 11

Last edited Mon Aug 11, 2025, 03:26 PM - Edit history (1)

The judge called the whole premise of the Trump administration’s argument for unsealing “demonstrably false.”




https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/ghislaine-maxwell-grand-jury-transcript-judge-denied-unseal-rcna224275

Engelmayer, an Obama appointee, noted that the Maxwell grand jury didn’t hear testimony from firsthand witnesses, victims or the like, but rather simply met “for the quotidian purpose of returning an indictment.” He said the evidence presented to the Maxwell grand jury “is today, with only very minor exceptions, a matter of public record.”

Rather than exposing new information, Engelmayer wrote, unsealing would expose the disingenuousness behind the government’s claim that unsealing would be revelatory.

“A member of the public, appreciating that the Maxwell grand jury materials do not contribute anything to public knowledge, might conclude that the Government’s motion for their unsealing was aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

“A member of the public familiar with the Maxwell trial record who reviewed the grand jury materials that the Government proposes to unseal would thus learn next to nothing new,” he wrote, adding that the materials “do not identify any person other than Epstein and Maxwell as having had sexual contact with a minor.”.....

Maxwell’s appeal is pending before the Supreme Court, and we could learn in the fall whether the justices will take it up.

A federal judge in Florida previously rejected unsealing grand jury information related to Epstein. And still pending in New York is the government’s motion to unseal grand jury information in his case there, which the government has been litigating in tandem with the Maxwell unsealing effort. The judge overseeing Epstein’s New York case has not yet ruled, but given the apparently limited nature of the grand jury presentation in that case as well, he could rule in a similar fashion to Engelmayer.

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,783 posts)
12. Experts stunned as judge 'unloads' on Trump DOJ over 'disingenuous' legal move
Mon Aug 11, 2025, 02:49 PM
Aug 11

The comments by this judge made me smile

Experts stunned as judge 'unloads' on Trump DOJ over ‘disingenuous’ legal move https://twp.ai/4ipIAL

Tuck The Frumpers (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-08-11T18:18:12.000Z

https://www.rawstory.com/jeffrey-epstein-files/

Judge Paul A. Engelmayer called out President Donald Trump's administration for what he called a "disingenuous" effort to unseal the grand jury documents around Jeffrey Epstein.

Legal analysts were quick to point out the harshness of the judge's language.

"Judge UNLOADS on Trump DOJ Maxwell grand jury gambit," described Adam Klasfeld, who runs "All Rise News," a legal and political news publication.

He pointed out a key citation from the judge.

"The one colorable argument under that doctrine for unsealing in this case, in fact, is that doing so would expose as disingenuous the Government’s public explanations for moving to unseal." It's "aimed not at 'transparency' but at diversion."
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