I liked them as a married couple decades ago, but they have truly sunk so low. They are still quite close as a divorced couple.

Charles and William don't want them in their prescence--at all. Feel sorry for their daughters.

If he knew she was, then yes, of course, justice should be served

However, Giuffre was 17, and per sworn testimony (given by her then-15 year old friend, Carolyn, a girl whom Guiffre introduced to Maxwell) her attitude about it was described as "not bothered at all", "thought it was pretty cool", and "I got to sleep with him". Keep in mind, this was Guiffre's own witness, not a hostile one, and Carolyn's case is also the single count of trafficking (to Epstein) that Maxwell was convicted on in 2022.

If nothing else, this should provide an illustration for why some prosecutions that seem so simple and obvious upon first glance, are actually not, when it comes to a court of criminal law. If it's not possible to prove Andrew knew VG was a trafficking victim (OR that he paid for the sex, knowing she was only 17), there's no basis to convict. Note: in THIS PARTICULAR case.

VG did (reportedly) coax a tidy of money from him in an out-of-court settlement (estimated as being single-digit millions), though, so that's good.

some guy is in the water, sucking on her toe.

I wish some one would dig into this and find out what was really going on.

I.e., those who are entertainers (and who are in the industry), sports figures, industry executives, and well-known politicians, are often forced into "a bubble of kinship" due to their public status.

IOW, being with others like themselves due to living in an otherworldly universe different from the "average" person.

So within that bubble (and often as a way to do "networking" involved with their work), they end up making sure they can "be seen" at whoever is giving some soiree or most talked about "event". The aftermath then becomes a focus of later connections with others, conversation, and gossiping - all within a universe that is so narrowly focused on their craft, that it helps to break the monotony and often cutthroat nature of their chosen occupations.

Apparently Epstein became a host of such events. People like R. Kelly did similar. And in the case of these parties, they became more and more extravagant, exclusive, and notorious, to the point of exploitation, all in order to maintain that "in crowd buzz".