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ificandream

(11,380 posts)
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:29 PM Yesterday

Live updates: Trump says he now believes Ukraine can win back all territory lost to Russia

Source: Associated Press

Edited By BRIDGET BROWN, BERNARD MCGHEE and CURTIS YEE
Updated 12:26 PM PDT, September 23, 2025

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that Ukraine can win back all territory lost to Russia, a dramatic shift from the U.S. leader’s call on Kyiv to make concessions.

Trump offered his position in a social media posting soon after meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.

Trump in part wrote, “I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-9-23-2025

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Live updates: Trump says he now believes Ukraine can win back all territory lost to Russia (Original Post) ificandream Yesterday OP
The man drives me crazy....imagine what Europe thinks. walkingman Yesterday #1
Z has the Epstein files! Aviation Pro Yesterday #2
Didn't they make a rare earth minerals deal? I'm sure that is the driver. Lucky Luciano 19 hrs ago #21
I think he may have told him that, if he changes course and supports Justice matters. 16 hrs ago #25
LOL. He's between a rock and a hard place ... KPN 6 hrs ago #31
Just wait until the sun goes down. That will change Raven123 Yesterday #3
exactly Raven..... democratsruletheday Yesterday #13
It's part of the gaslighting n/t AdamGG 20 hrs ago #20
He didn't write that Deep State Witch Yesterday #4
And No CAPITAL Letters. electric_blue68 Yesterday #15
Boy, he really is upset with Vlad Bayard Yesterday #5
Trumps arm is pinned but he is still squealing . Nt BootinUp Yesterday #6
TACO...... SergeStorms Yesterday #7
...which means that he heard from european leaders that they are pushing against Russia even harder, and wiggs Yesterday #8
Think MSM will put together a case history of the times TSF has created chaos, demonstrated ignorance, changed wiggs Yesterday #9
it changes back and forth samsingh Yesterday #10
Huh? twodogsbarking Yesterday #11
OK, who wrote that? ananda Yesterday #12
Apparently the dementia Miguelito Loveless Yesterday #14
Is this before or after he ascends Mt. Everest? twodogsbarking Yesterday #16
Tankies are going crazy somsai 22 hrs ago #17
This will PO the puppets master. republianmushroom 21 hrs ago #18
He's a dangerous psycopath with no common sense mdbl 20 hrs ago #19
Trump thought it was just him and Putin against Zelenskyy . . . Aussie105 18 hrs ago #22
TACO MissouriDem47 18 hrs ago #23
Less Here Than Meets The Eye DallasNE 18 hrs ago #24
IMO, It all has to do with videos of him doing despicable things. Epstein Files? Putin Files? Both? He's desperate. usonian 15 hrs ago #26
Changeable as a weathercock, he is. raccoon 12 hrs ago #27
I notice there is nothing about American support. niyad 10 hrs ago #28
"The original borders from where they were before the war began" means Russia gets Crimea and other Botany 9 hrs ago #29
Fascist Demitted Old Nincompoop Emile 8 hrs ago #30

Justice matters.

(8,901 posts)
25. I think he may have told him that, if he changes course and supports
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 01:47 AM
16 hrs ago

Ukraine's winning back all it's original territories against the invader, terrorist, kidnapper Russia, he already has the commitment from all European leaders (except Orban) that they will recommend the Nobel committee to award him a Nobel Peace Prize. (Doesn't garantee he will get it.)

That's the only reason I can imagine and speculate it is. Z told him siding with a war criminal like Putin will never ever award him any Nobel prize

democratsruletheday

(1,580 posts)
13. exactly Raven.....
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 05:03 PM
Yesterday

tomorrow he'll be back kissing Pooty's ass. Fucking rancid ass wipe that he is.

Bayard

(27,071 posts)
5. Boy, he really is upset with Vlad
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:43 PM
Yesterday

Notice he says, with the financial support of EUROPE. But no--he didn't write that. It makes sense.

SergeStorms

(19,776 posts)
7. TACO......
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:58 PM
Yesterday

that is, until Vlad showers King Kon's ego with compliments and/or money. Then Donnie will firmly affix his lips to Vlad's anus once again.

wiggs

(8,440 posts)
8. ...which means that he heard from european leaders that they are pushing against Russia even harder, and
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 04:04 PM
Yesterday

backing Ukraine even harder. He sees the writing on the wall. He will jump in and claim credit, if this resolves.

TSF has no principles (except one).

wiggs

(8,440 posts)
9. Think MSM will put together a case history of the times TSF has created chaos, demonstrated ignorance, changed
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 04:10 PM
Yesterday

course, or spouted undemocratic nonsense?

No...they will treat his statement as deserving of analysis and consideration of what it might mean, and have a panelist on who says the move is consistent with what he has said all along and that it reflects commitment to an ally and that it shows he stands heads and shoulders above all the leaders of the world.

And a rebuttal will just reinforce that there are two worthy sides to the Ukraine issue.

samsingh

(18,178 posts)
10. it changes back and forth
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 04:32 PM
Yesterday

but maybe Ukraine can get weapons from the US through NATO to become secure

ananda

(33,252 posts)
12. OK, who wrote that?
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 05:03 PM
Yesterday

It certainly wasn't Trump...

way too literate, mature,
and positive.

mdbl

(7,404 posts)
19. He's a dangerous psycopath with no common sense
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 09:08 PM
20 hrs ago

Thanks Magats for putting someone like that in charge of our lives - assholes.

Aussie105

(7,239 posts)
22. Trump thought it was just him and Putin against Zelenskyy . . .
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 11:15 PM
18 hrs ago

Trump hadn't figured other European nations might have something to say.

Trump then figured he'd back off - typical TACO!

DallasNE

(7,876 posts)
24. Less Here Than Meets The Eye
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 12:00 AM
18 hrs ago

It looks to me like America is setting this one out, leaving everything up to Europe. No talk of supplying arms or logistical assistance. No additional sanctions on Russia. Not much to see here. Just some baby steps in tone that Trump could back away from the next time he speaks.

usonian

(20,754 posts)
26. IMO, It all has to do with videos of him doing despicable things. Epstein Files? Putin Files? Both? He's desperate.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 02:06 AM
15 hrs ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20669297

I believe that if those videos are released, he'll be torn limb from limb.
Something that BOTH SIDES would gleefully do.

His actions since 2016 or before match that scenario perfectly.

The battle is escalating. The "Summit" did not resolve it. Putin raised the price.
And (may have) had a goon fire a warning shot.
to convey a message

This is crazy dangerous.

raccoon

(32,033 posts)
27. Changeable as a weathercock, he is.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 05:10 AM
12 hrs ago

How could any international big shots rely on anything he says?

How could any international big shots anyone rely on anything he says?

Botany

(75,336 posts)
29. "The original borders from where they were before the war began" means Russia gets Crimea and other
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:52 AM
9 hrs ago

… Ukrainian territories too including parts of eastern Ukraine that have some of Ukraine’s rare earth
strategic minerals. Trump is saying that the borders should be the “new ones” created in 2014 after
Russia took over Crimea and other parts of Ukraine. This is Trump telling Ukraine to surrender some of
its lands and people to Russia. Crimea should go back to its rightful owners the Crimean Tatars.

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