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BumRushDaShow

(160,898 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 04:22 PM 18 hrs ago

'We lose that argument': GOP cracks begin to show as shutdown looms

Source: Raw Story

September 29, 2025 3:04PM ET


Republicans are starting to falter on the hardline stance about the government shutdown, according to a House GOP conference call on Monday. While Republicans hold the majority in the House, Senate and White House, they don't have enough votes to pass an increase in the debt ceiling. It means they'll need support from Democrats. However, Democrats don't want to help Republicans raise the debt ceiling unless they bring back the healthcare subsidies for those utilizing the Affordable Care Act.

NBC News Capitol Hill reporter Melanie Zanona wrote on X that Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI) "walked members through polling and advised them not to make the message about healthcare, because Republicans lose that argument." She encouraged them to discuss the economics of a shutdown, thinking that the GOP has the upper hand and a winning message on that topic.

However, Rep. Beth Van Duyne (R-TX) confessed she thinks staying out of Washington isn't the right move. She wants to see them return to Congress sooner than next week so they "can better message and hammer Democrats on the airwaves," added Zanona.

Democratic strategist Jesse Ferguson noted that McClain is correct, noting the group Unring Our Economy has ads running "in 14 Republican districts about MAGA's health care shutdown. They are threatening a gov't shutdown unless they can take away health care. After already cutting Medicaid and raising tariffs."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/republicans-shutdown/





Link to Unring Our Economy - https://unrigoureconomy.com/

Link to Unring Our Economy PRESS RELEASE - Unrig Our Economy Launches New Ads Calling Out Congressional Republicans for Threatening to Raise Health Care Costs & Shut Down the Government (includes links to the 14 ads that are now playing similar to the above)
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'We lose that argument': GOP cracks begin to show as shutdown looms (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 18 hrs ago OP
Mum's the word. nt taxi 17 hrs ago #1
??? speak easy 17 hrs ago #2
They "technically" didn't "raise it". They included budget gimmicks like using the "current baseline" to "mask it". BumRushDaShow 16 hrs ago #3
THIS. Unrig Our Economy new ads! This is how we dominate messaging! ancianita 16 hrs ago #4
This is not a "debt ceiling" dispute. It's a dispute over spending bills. They are different things. Typical Raw Story onenote 16 hrs ago #5
and they repackage news already posted elsewhere DBoon 13 hrs ago #6
Exactly! The one excuse might be... reACTIONary 10 hrs ago #8
About to post the same observation.... reACTIONary 10 hrs ago #7
Has this ever worked for them? prodigitalson 1 hr ago #9

BumRushDaShow

(160,898 posts)
3. They "technically" didn't "raise it". They included budget gimmicks like using the "current baseline" to "mask it".
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:44 PM
16 hrs ago

I think that, plus carve-outs for the "always 'concerneds'", was the only way to get a majority to sign on to it. And in order to even comply with the smoke and mirrors "raise", they can't add back the Medicaid cuts or ACA subsidy extension.

ancianita

(42,019 posts)
4. THIS. Unrig Our Economy new ads! This is how we dominate messaging!
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:53 PM
16 hrs ago
Democratic strategist Jesse Ferguson noted that McClain is correct, noting the group Unring Our Economy has ads running "in 14 Republican districts about MAGA's health care shutdown. They are threatening a gov't shutdown unless they can take away health care. After already cutting Medicaid and raising tariffs."


onenote

(45,688 posts)
5. This is not a "debt ceiling" dispute. It's a dispute over spending bills. They are different things. Typical Raw Story
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 06:07 PM
16 hrs ago

I don't understand why DU allows Raw Story to be posted as "Latest Breaking News" when they constantly get things wrong.

DBoon

(24,320 posts)
6. and they repackage news already posted elsewhere
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:15 PM
13 hrs ago

Why not use the original source?

reACTIONary

(6,731 posts)
8. Exactly! The one excuse might be...
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 12:24 AM
10 hrs ago

.... a paywall on the original source. But you can usually find some paywall free source other than rawstory.

prodigitalson

(3,165 posts)
9. Has this ever worked for them?
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 09:04 AM
1 hr ago

This goes back to the days of Newt Gingrich and has become a GOP tradition.

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