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BumRushDaShow

(160,868 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:39 PM 11 hrs ago

Schumer says he will not support 7- or 10-day stopgap to avoid shutdown

Source: The Hill

09/29/25 6:24 PM ET


Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) said he would not support a weeklong or 10-day government funding measure to avoid a government shutdown on Wednesday and buy more time to negotiate with President Trump and GOP leaders.

Schumer said he felt that Monday’s meeting with Trump at the White House made some progress because it gave him and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.) a chance to warn Trump directly about the possibility that thousands of Americans will see their health insurance premiums soar next year.

Schumer urged Trump to press GOP leaders to add language to a seven-week continuing resolution to address the expiration of Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies, but he ruled out supporting a weeklong or 10-day stopgap funding measure to buy some more time. “No, we have to do it now. The time is a wasting. We have to do it now. We’ve delayed and delayed and delayed,” he said, arguing that the extension of the Affordable Care Act subsidies can’t wait.

“As Martin Luther King once said, later means never,” he said. “They don’t want to do this, the Republican leaders, because their right wing — it will divide their party — their right wing hates ACA altogether.” “But we have to get it done,” he added. “The way to do this, is the president, who was really listening to us, tells the Republicans to do it.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5527884-schumer-stopgap-shutdown/

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Schumer says he will not support 7- or 10-day stopgap to avoid shutdown (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 11 hrs ago OP
He already knew that he was going to harm over 17 million people with health care he doesn't give a shit............ turbinetree 11 hrs ago #1
I believe the funding cuts had to do with Medicaid, not Medicare, and not renewing the subsidies lostincalifornia 10 hrs ago #4
Starting Jan 1st subsidies will go up around 50 to 100 percent, this will be the death of ACA which the fascists want.nt ImNotGod 10 hrs ago #12
absolutely. It is the most mean, immoral, attack against the most vulnerable people in our country. lostincalifornia 10 hrs ago #14
correct, and that will eventually increase healthcare costs for EVERYONE Skittles 8 hrs ago #32
Medicare is going to a new managed care model in 6 states in 2026. Irish_Dem 9 hrs ago #21
Aarp should be screaming about this flamingdem 9 hrs ago #23
Yes, no one seems to care. Irish_Dem 9 hrs ago #25
The seniors have been out there protesting flamingdem 7 hrs ago #39
I hope people complain. Irish_Dem 2 hrs ago #42
How the hell are they doing that? pat_k 8 hrs ago #30
If you are living in one of the six states, they are going to do it. Irish_Dem 8 hrs ago #31
I poked around. It is a CMS "experiment" to root out nonexistent "waste/fraud/abuse" pat_k 8 hrs ago #37
Found more: pat_k 8 hrs ago #38
Kudos to Sen. Schumer mcar 10 hrs ago #2
I'll give him points if he holds firm Skittles 8 hrs ago #34
Why that can't be, I read here on DU that Sen. Schumer and Rep. Jeffries were getting ready to cave. MarineCombatEngineer 10 hrs ago #3
Not the first time.. Cha 10 hrs ago #7
Nor the last. sheshe2 10 hrs ago #9
Not at this rate. Cha 10 hrs ago #10
but they quoted "anonymous sources". lostincalifornia 10 hrs ago #15
Oh, well then, it must be true, MarineCombatEngineer 9 hrs ago #19
Keep pressuring Schumer. Justice Brandeis 10 hrs ago #5
Maybe all those messages helped. ananda 10 hrs ago #6
Am I missing something? He's only one person. Why can't the rest of the Dems vote their conscience? Baitball Blogger 10 hrs ago #8
The House can easily pass the ridiculous C.R. because they will have the majority (which is needed for passage) BumRushDaShow 10 hrs ago #11
Yep, MarineCombatEngineer 10 hrs ago #13
My point is, if Shumer can't lead, why do the other senators have to listen to him? Baitball Blogger 10 hrs ago #16
I understand your and others' concern about his (lack of) "leadership" skills BumRushDaShow 10 hrs ago #17
Basic protocol is what gave us our weak hand. Baitball Blogger 9 hrs ago #18
You need to become a CSPAN junkie to see how they operate in Congress BumRushDaShow 9 hrs ago #24
The sad part is that Karma13612 21 min ago #44
"the president, who was really listening to us" BWdem4life 9 hrs ago #20
Hurting people in any form is exactly what psychopaths live for. ... littlemissmartypants 9 hrs ago #22
Apparently he played dumb about what was going to happen. Klarkashton 9 hrs ago #27
He who played dumb? littlemissmartypants 8 hrs ago #33
The elections are far off. Put the fucking heat on those Klarkashton 9 hrs ago #26
So, is the only "red line" ACA enhanced subsidies? pat_k 9 hrs ago #28
I think Medicaid cuts were also part of that. BumRushDaShow 8 hrs ago #29
Kick and Recommend! sheshe2 8 hrs ago #35
Good. Ten days is a brief headline-dimming distraction DFW 8 hrs ago #36
A great way to keep up with developments in ACA tonekat 7 hrs ago #40
I hope that Schumer and Jeffries hold firm. Bread and Circuses 7 hrs ago #41
At the very least, Jeffries and Schumer are on the record for warning TSF no_hypocrisy 53 min ago #43

turbinetree

(26,600 posts)
1. He already knew that he was going to harm over 17 million people with health care he doesn't give a shit............
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:51 PM
11 hrs ago

and every maga senior on Medicare...........that voted for this shit show............wait and see what happens Medicare on January 1, 2026...........lets get back to the 6 states that are going to be the guinea pigs for that shit show to begin the process of privatizing Medicare for wall street and the health care companies backed by wall street greed.............JFC

lostincalifornia

(4,561 posts)
4. I believe the funding cuts had to do with Medicaid, not Medicare, and not renewing the subsidies
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:04 PM
10 hrs ago

applied to the ACA, which would mean millions would lose their coverage on the ACA because people could not afford the premiums without the subsidies.


ImNotGod

(1,155 posts)
12. Starting Jan 1st subsidies will go up around 50 to 100 percent, this will be the death of ACA which the fascists want.nt
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:28 PM
10 hrs ago

lostincalifornia

(4,561 posts)
14. absolutely. It is the most mean, immoral, attack against the most vulnerable people in our country.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:35 PM
10 hrs ago

Irish_Dem

(75,501 posts)
21. Medicare is going to a new managed care model in 6 states in 2026.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:32 PM
9 hrs ago

They will start requiring prior authorizations for some services.

This is MEDICARE.

flamingdem

(40,673 posts)
23. Aarp should be screaming about this
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:47 PM
9 hrs ago

Don't think they are though. Haven't read about it yet.

flamingdem

(40,673 posts)
39. The seniors have been out there protesting
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:58 PM
7 hrs ago

Maybe this is the next thing to rile up the troops!

Irish_Dem

(75,501 posts)
42. I hope people complain.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 04:57 AM
2 hrs ago

I fear Trump may start out slow and then put the whammy on Medicare.

pat_k

(11,916 posts)
30. How the hell are they doing that?
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:00 PM
8 hrs ago

If I have Part A and Part B and a Supplement to cover "out of pocket" A and B costs, how could my state force me into managed care?

The only thing "managed" about my coverage is Part D, prescriptions, with formularies and pre-authorization required for some drugs.

Irish_Dem

(75,501 posts)
31. If you are living in one of the six states, they are going to do it.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:05 PM
8 hrs ago

That is what the press releases are saying.

New Jersey
Ohio
Oklahoma
Texas
Arizona
Washington

pat_k

(11,916 posts)
37. I poked around. It is a CMS "experiment" to root out nonexistent "waste/fraud/abuse"
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:27 PM
8 hrs ago

It's not the states that are implementing this. It is the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. They are adding some pre-authorization requirements for certain services/procedures provided under Part A and Part B (currently covered without pre-authorization).

It is not Managed Care in the same sense that Medicare Advantage is Managed Care.

So, it sounds like it will actually only affect people like me who keep their original Medicare and add a supplement because they refuse to be shoved into the rapidly deteriorating Medicare Advantage Plans.

Not surprising because Republicans hate people like me. They've fucked around with Medicare Advantage to weaken that coverage, but have been unable to touch Original Medicare. I am actually wondering if people in those six states can sue. I would like to know what authority CMS has to run this "experiment." Did the Republican Congress grant it? Or is it another case of an agency doing shit it is not allowed to do? I have more research to do.

AI Summary

CMS picked six states—Arizona, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and Washington—for the Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction (WISeR) model based on a combination of evaluability and operational criteria, including selecting within the same Medicare Administrative Contractor (MAC) jurisdictions to allow for direct comparison between test and comparison states, choosing states with sufficient claims volume for reliable impact estimates, and prioritizing states with existing administrative contractors that already had coverage policies for the targeted services.

Here's a breakdown of the selection criteria and process:

MAC Jurisdictions: The model was assigned to four MAC jurisdictions: JH, JL, JF, and J15.

Within-MAC Comparisons: CMS selected states within the same MAC jurisdictions so they could compare the test states to other states within that same MAC.

Adequate Claims Volume: States were chosen for their sufficient volume of claims, which allows for precise estimates of the model's impact.

Existing Coverage Policies: CMS prioritized states where the administrative contractors already had coverage policies for the services targeted by the model.

Geographic Diversity: The selected states represent diverse geographic areas.

Highest Historical Claim Paid Amounts: States meeting the evaluation criteria were also selected based on the highest historical claim paid amounts.

pat_k

(11,916 posts)
38. Found more:
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:39 PM
8 hrs ago

The authority under which this program is being implemented is Section 1115A of the Social Security Act.

Another AI summary:

CMS is implementing its Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction (WISeR) Model under the authority of Section 1115A of the Social Security Act. This act created the Center for Medicare & Medicaid Innovation (CMMI), which is authorized to test innovative payment and service delivery models in Medicare and Medicaid to reduce costs while preserving or improving quality of care. The WISeR model, a six-year pilot program beginning January 1, 2026, uses technology-driven prior authorization to target specific services in Original Medicare that have been identified as potentially wasteful or inappropriate.


It sure sounds to me like denying care that was previously covered absolutely violates the requirement of these programs to "preserve" or "improve" care.

Regarding lawsuits. It sounds like they will be coming. More from AI

No lawsuits have been filed against CMS for the WISeR Model as of late September 2025, but several professional medical societies and lawmakers have expressed strong opposition and concern through letters to CMS due to potential risks of delayed care and increased administrative burdens. While formal legal action hasn't been taken, the significant backlash from key stakeholders suggests the possibility of future litigation if the model's concerns are not adequately addressed by CMS.



mcar

(45,380 posts)
2. Kudos to Sen. Schumer
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:02 PM
10 hrs ago

I await the many Schumer critics here to offer their praise as well.

Skittles

(167,742 posts)
34. I'll give him points if he holds firm
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:17 PM
8 hrs ago

absolutely - it will make me think maybe he learned a fucking lesson

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,034 posts)
3. Why that can't be, I read here on DU that Sen. Schumer and Rep. Jeffries were getting ready to cave.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:02 PM
10 hrs ago
https://democraticunderground.com/100220684326



Apparently that thread was, if fact, BS.

Baitball Blogger

(50,998 posts)
8. Am I missing something? He's only one person. Why can't the rest of the Dems vote their conscience?
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:20 PM
10 hrs ago

BumRushDaShow

(160,868 posts)
11. The House can easily pass the ridiculous C.R. because they will have the majority (which is needed for passage)
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:27 PM
10 hrs ago

But the Senate needs 60 votes to pass legislation and that means the GOP needs (D) votes and they don't have them.

The split is 53 (R)s & 45 (D)s & 2 (I)s (who caucus with (D)s), so they need at least 7 Democrats to vote with them.

Schumer is the Minority Leader "speaking for" the Senate Democrats.

Baitball Blogger

(50,998 posts)
16. My point is, if Shumer can't lead, why do the other senators have to listen to him?
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:43 PM
10 hrs ago

Right now the Democrats have to show leadership, and stand up to the Right, otherwise, they will be punished in the midterms.

BumRushDaShow

(160,868 posts)
17. I understand your and others' concern about his (lack of) "leadership" skills
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:52 PM
10 hrs ago

However he was "elected' by the Senate Caucus as the Minority Leader and thus he becomes the "spokesperson" for the Caucus.

It's basic protocol.

BumRushDaShow

(160,868 posts)
24. You need to become a CSPAN junkie to see how they operate in Congress
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:47 PM
9 hrs ago

At the start of every 2-year Congressional session, "leaders" are chosen as well as either "Chairs" (for the party in the majority) or "Ranking Members" (if the party is in the minority) for all the Committees. It can be a fierce battle as you might have noted with some of the Ranking Member slots like for the House Oversight Committee and House Judiciary Committees.

Democrats CHOSE Schumer after we lost the Senate in 2024 as he had been the Majority Leader before then (since 2020). Prior to 2020, Democrats were last in control of the Senate in 2013, where Harry Reid was the Majority Leader. We then lost the Senate in the 2014 election and didn't regain it until 2020 (barely as it was a tie but swung to (D) due to having the Presidency and Vice-Presidency where the VP is technically "the President of the Senate" and can break ties). At that time, Schumer was the Democratic Caucus Vice-Chair (and Dick Durbin was the Assistant Majority Leader to Reid), and Schumer ran and won the top leadership job.

So from that era, the Caucus had a record of his work in a leadership position. I know that Durbin decided to remain as a Whip vs running for Minority Leader.

ETA and IMHO - Schumer was fine for the "past" but we are in a "break glass" moment, where all bets are off and a different style/tactic is needed (i.e., I get what you are saying but they are not going to completely toss out protocol now but should we make it to the 2026 election, he'll be toast).

Karma13612

(4,825 posts)
44. The sad part is that
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 06:36 AM
21 min ago

More and more media consumers are cutting the cord and losing access to C SPAN.

I wish there was a way to get CSPAN without cable. But, it’s a Cable service/product, unlike the legacy networks which are available over the free digital airwaves (NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS).

As always, it’s the public that suffers.

BWdem4life

(2,764 posts)
20. "the president, who was really listening to us"
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:21 PM
9 hrs ago

Um, really?

Even if true, it’s only the last person who talks to him that he can remember what they said.

And anyway neither can compete with the voices in his head.

(Unintentional rhyme, maybe I should be a songwriter.)

littlemissmartypants

(29,900 posts)
22. Hurting people in any form is exactly what psychopaths live for. ...
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:42 PM
9 hrs ago

For example ...

"...warn[ing] Trump directly about the possibility that thousands of Americans will see their health insurance premiums soar next year." Is exactly the kind of result that psychopaths enjoy.

Why aren't those "in charge" aware of that?


Tips for how to spot a psychopath like our president:

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

Klarkashton

(4,125 posts)
27. Apparently he played dumb about what was going to happen.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:53 PM
9 hrs ago

Either dumb or just stupid either way it's impossibly bad.

Klarkashton

(4,125 posts)
26. The elections are far off. Put the fucking heat on those
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:51 PM
9 hrs ago

Bastards now. Shut this horrible shit show down forever.

pat_k

(11,916 posts)
28. So, is the only "red line" ACA enhanced subsidies?
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:53 PM
9 hrs ago

What about going after Medicaid cuts?

What about demanding 47 stop violating his oath of office?

BumRushDaShow

(160,868 posts)
29. I think Medicaid cuts were also part of that.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:59 PM
8 hrs ago

The most pressing has been the ACA subsidies that sunset at the end of the calendar year and that would probably be the easiest to fix (just doing an extension). The Medicaid cuts are amongst all the other health-related cuts and there were an obscene amount of them, but might be fixable with legislative language changes.

DFW

(59,024 posts)
36. Good. Ten days is a brief headline-dimming distraction
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:23 PM
8 hrs ago

Meant only to get the shutdown out of the headlines while they work with Murdoch to figure out how to blame it all on us.

Time to put up or shut up.

And Johnson should finally quit acting like a garden slug and swear in that Democratic Congresswoman, too!! I sometimes think he must maintain a strict salt-free diet to keep from melting.

no_hypocrisy

(53,208 posts)
43. At the very least, Jeffries and Schumer are on the record for warning TSF
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 06:04 AM
53 min ago

about the consequences of his being obstinate and of his inaction.

The classic "You were told but you wouldn't listen".

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