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highplainsdem

(58,414 posts)
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 02:20 PM Wednesday

A Welsh Band Spent a Decade Building a Fanbase -- An AI Imitator Outpaced Them in Two Months

Source: Rolling Stone

Lucas Woodland, frontman of the Welsh post-hardcore band Holding Absence, recently made a disturbing discovery on Spotify: an AI-generated act that cites his band as an influence has more monthly listeners than their human inspiration. Holding Absence has been around for a decade; the AI “band,” Bleeding Verse, only launched on Spotify in late July. “It’s shocking, it’s disheartening, it’s insulting,” Woodland wrote on X. “Most importantly – it’s a wake up call. Oppose AI music, or bands like us stop existing.”

Bleeding Verse, which says in its Spotify bio that it uses “human lyrics, turned into songs with AI” has accumulated 897,349 monthly listeners in just two months. Holding Absence, four actual humans who have been touring the world and releasing music since 2015 (though its current incarnation with Woodland didn’t begin until the following year), currently have 847,638 monthly listeners.

The AI act doesn’t mention Holding Absence on its Spotify page, but its YouTube bio is more revealing: “Bleeding Verse is an emotional post-hardcore band crafting cinematic soundscapes and heartbreak-heavy melodies,” it reads. “Inspired by artists like Dayseeker and Holding Absence, we blend ambient textures, soaring vocals, and poetic lyricism to explore grief, identity, and healing. Lyrics from the heart. AI-assisted instrumentation and vocals.”

In recent weeks, Reddit users have mentioned that Spotify’s algorithm has recommended Bleeding Verse tracks to them, just as it promoted the now-infamous Velvet Sundown and other AI acts. “This is the first time I’ve been fooled by AI,” one Redditor wrote. “It’s getting scarily good.” Another user said that a Bleeding Verse song made them “tear up,” and that the revelation of its AI nature left them “feeling strangely betrayed. (A Spotify spokesperson did not immediately respond to Rolling Stone‘s request for comment.) Holding Absence appears to be roundly defeating their AI counterparts on other platforms: They have more than 83,000 Instagram followers, while an account claiming to represent Bleeding Verse has 1,937.

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Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ai-imitator-spotify-holding-absence-bleeding-verse-1235438985/



That headline really should read "A Welsh Band Spent a Decade Building a Fanbase — An AI Imitator PROMOTED BY SPOTIFY Outpaced Them in Two Months" because Spotify isn't doing this accidentally.

And they won't stop doing it unless a lot of their customers complain.

Spotify would be VERY happy to give their most uncaring and unthinking customers nothing but AI slop, if they'll settle for that, because there's a very good chance the AI slop is work for hire - which Spotify paid some minimal amount to have created and thus owns the copyright on, so will never have to pay royalties to stream. Unlike those real songs by real artists who deserve to be paid royalties.
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speak easy

(12,400 posts)
1. "Inspired by artists" means 'stolen from artists'
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 02:27 PM
Wednesday

What else can it mean? Their music and lyrics was in the training data.

highplainsdem

(58,414 posts)
2. Exactly. Their music, their lyrics, and also articles about them plus reviews of their music, because
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 03:10 PM
Wednesday

those descriptions are necessary to connect words in AI users' prompts to the stolen music and lyrics the AI tool will use. The thieves who own and manage those AI music generators stole from every music journalist whose work they could locate. Countless journalists, as well as countless musicians.

roscoeroscoe

(1,788 posts)
3. There's one on You Tube as well
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 03:11 PM
Wednesday

If you see what looks like a Rasta with a guitar under the name 'Let Babylon Burn' that's an AI creation as well. Pathetic.

highplainsdem

(58,414 posts)
4. There are a lot of AI creations on YouTube, unfortunately. It's flooded with AI slop. Fil Henley - Wings of Pegasus -
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 03:21 PM
Wednesday

went after one of them on his music-analysis channel recently:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1034151299

John1956PA

(4,506 posts)
5. Thank you for posting. I accessed recordings of the human group, and I like them.
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 04:49 PM
Wednesday

I had never heard of the Welsh band Holding Absence before I read your post. I accessed two of their songs via YouTube, and I was impressed.

As for the AI "band" referenced in the article, I accessed two of its outputs (if that is a correct use of the word in the context) via YouTube as well. They consist of little more than AI-generated screaming. I am disappointed that such AI vulgarity is generating listenership.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,163 posts)
6. AI musicians & actors will have a day in the sun, but people like real people & will pay for them over & above AI. . .nt
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 06:08 PM
Wednesday

eppur_se_muova

(40,167 posts)
7. I'm not so sure about that ... for a lot of people, AI crap will be good enough. Good taste is not a universal attribute
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:53 AM
Yesterday

Sure, discriminating fans will continue to support the groups they love and appreciate. But the AI slop will be constant background noise from now on. It's called the music industry for a reason -- they continuously put out "product", and whatever anyone, anywhere will buy is good enough, especially if it's cheap enough. I wouldn't expect people to collect AI slop in the same serious way that real music fans collect real music -- it's a shallow pleasure, a truly disposable product -- but there will be a constant "churn", which is enough to keep the slop shops in business. So, no AI won't take over completely, but it won't go away either.

Always remember that half of the population is below average, whatever the context.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,163 posts)
8. It will fill in for a lot of muzak and background music. But few will pay to go to a concert given by AIs
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:04 AM
Yesterday

... other than a time or two until the novelty wears off.

Few will pay for an AI t-shirt.

As near as I can determine, streaming generates $ 18 billion, merchandise $ 16 billion including physical media, and concerts $ 31 billion.

eppur_se_muova

(40,167 posts)
9. Does "merchandise" include recordings ?? Not everyone streams. Collectors are still buying vinyl, for crap's sake !
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:42 AM
Yesterday

Outside of that, I'm *really* surprised that concerts would generate more than the others -- almost more than the others combined.

Of course, I've never had much to do with pop/rock/rap so I don't get the thrill of attending a live concert where the fans make so much noise they compete with the performer. Classical and jazz concerts aren't like that, and they don't figure into the $$$$$ as much. I can't see AI making much progress there. Too little profit, too much aesthetic appeal required.

Basically, mass-produced "commercial" music will continue to be its own thing, only more so. In the long run, real music will be less profitable, raising ticket/CD/download prices, meaning less attendance. Just part of the process of enshitification that begins as soon as enough people realize there's big profits to be made, and plenty of shortcuts to get there.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,163 posts)
10. Streaming is about 85-90% of sales of music.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:48 AM
Yesterday

Some tabulations count physical music media in merchandise, some in "music".

Whatever your perceptions of concerts, $31 billion is big business, about as big as streaming and merchandise combined.

eppur_se_muova

(40,167 posts)
11. Again, that's just surprising to me. But then, I've always favored the 'wrong' kind of music. nt
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:53 AM
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