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groundloop

(13,395 posts)
Tue Oct 28, 2025, 10:17 PM Yesterday

US Senate passes bill with Republican support to rescind Trump's tariffs on Brazil

Source: The Guardian

The US Senate on Tuesday approved a measure that would terminate Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs on Brazilian imports, including coffee, beef and other products, in a rare bipartisan show of opposition to the president’s trade war.

The legislation passed in a 52-48 vote, with five Republicans – senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Thom Tillis of North Carolina and the former Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky – joining all Democrats in favor. The vote took place on day 28 of the federal government shutdown with both sides at loggerheads over spending legislation.

The resolution, led by Senator Tim Kaine, a Democrat of Virginia, would overturn the national emergency that Trump has declared to justify the levies, though it is all but certain to stall in the US House, where the Republican-controlled chamber acted to pre-emptively shut down any attempt to block the president’s tariffs. In the unlikely event the measure were to reach the president’s desk, it would meet Trump’s veto.

“Tariffs are a tax on American consumers. Tariffs are a tax on American businesses. And they are a tax that is imposed by a single person: Donald J Trump,” Kaine said in a floor speech.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/us-senate-trump-tariffs-brazil

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US Senate passes bill with Republican support to rescind Trump's tariffs on Brazil (Original Post) groundloop Yesterday OP
About time the Senate remembered THEY are the ones to set some of the rules! Attilatheblond Yesterday #1
Fingers crossed that this is the start of Congress growing a spine groundloop Yesterday #2
the house is not back in session. this is just kabuki theater. nt Javaman 15 hrs ago #6
Nor I Septua 13 hrs ago #7
It is progress, even if the first positive step on a 1000 mile journey Bluetus 13 hrs ago #8
it's a start Skittles 23 hrs ago #3
It will be timms139 22 hrs ago #4
Trump is retaliating Puppyjive 17 hrs ago #5
OMG we still have a Congress? thought crime 11 hrs ago #9
Cracks are starting to emerge in the Maga coalition. It's good news, but we've got a long way to go. Fil1957 11 hrs ago #10
Why just Brazil; why not ALL countries, especially Canada? Sogo 11 hrs ago #11
Bottom feeder Mike Johnson probably won't bring it up for a vote in the House Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 10 hrs ago #12
"The US Senate on Tuesday approved a measure that would terminate Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs on Brazilian imports, generalbetrayus 10 hrs ago #13
Hmm the House isn't in sesson so this is bs IbogaProject 9 hrs ago #14
Can't they do this with all the other Tariffs as well? samsingh 6 hrs ago #15
If nothing else, it offers a unified (but qualified) voice of rebuke against Mr. trump nt Torchlight 6 hrs ago #16
Whaaaa???? You mean, they CAN actually do something to stop AllyCat 5 hrs ago #17
It will die because the orange turd probably won't sign it into law kimbutgar 4 hrs ago #18
Exactly Diraven 3 hrs ago #19

groundloop

(13,395 posts)
2. Fingers crossed that this is the start of Congress growing a spine
Tue Oct 28, 2025, 11:05 PM
Yesterday

(I'm not holding my breath though)

Septua

(2,915 posts)
7. Nor I
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:32 AM
13 hrs ago

The House idiots want to talk about anything other than the massive GOP failure to legislate and shut down Trump's autocratic actions. Now, they want to stir the Biden autopen pot again. Do they think everybody is as gullible and stupid as they are?

Mike Johnson hasn't the balls to dissent Trump's insanity but has unlimited arrogance to stand at a podium and pretend he doesn't know what's going on with Trump 2.0 insanity.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-republicans-unveil-biden-autopen-report-but-offer-little-new-information

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled their long-promised report on former President Joe Biden’s use of the autopen, delivering a blistering critique of his time in office and inner circle that largely rehashes public information while making sweeping accusations about the workings of his White House.

The GOP report does not include any concrete evidence that aides conspired to enact policies without Biden’s knowledge or that the president was unaware of laws, pardons or executive orders signed in his name. But Republicans said their findings cast doubt on all of Biden’s actions in office. They sent a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi urging a full investigation. President Donald Trump ordered a similar inquiry earlier this year.

Bluetus

(1,763 posts)
8. It is progress, even if the first positive step on a 1000 mile journey
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:32 AM
13 hrs ago

One might have hoped that the bill would rescind ALL the tariffs in general. However, this may actually be a clever move. By focusing on Brazil, the Senate goes on record that there is no emergency state. Perhaps courts can use that as justification to negate all the other tariffs.

And don't be so sure it can't pass the House. It would require a discharge petition, but that is certainly possible with just a few GOP votes. The economy is showing signs of a major downturn. We are at the leading edge of what could be a big wave of layoffs. Amazon is laying off 2200 corporate people. That is not warehouse people replaced by automation. That indicates a real softening of their business. Other CEOs see that and will be scrambling to follow suit. These recessions always have a piling-on effect. When Republicans in the House see this in their own districts, we could easily see a dozen or more of them join a discharge petition. These are political animals. They can all see that Trump is imploding mentally and his approval is in the shitter. There comes a time where they decide that their best chances of keeping their seat require separation from Trump.

Even with the bill passing both houses, Trump probably vetoes it, but that will be highly visible and will cost Trump even more support. If his people are smart, they should be negotiating with Congress right now about how to pull back from the tariffs without being forced through legislation, Don't be surprised if Trump makes a trip to Brazil soon and announces a fantastic new deal with Brazil that allows him to remove the tariffs.

But let's assume this Senate bill is mirrored in the House and sent to Trump for his veto. This brings up a legal question I have no clue about. Normally the courts are supposed to operate on the basis of law. In this scenario, it would not be law because of Trump's veto. However, this is a case where the President has no inherent authority to unilaterally impose tariffs. This have to be ratified by Congress. However, Congress long ago passed some legislation that gives the President some power to impose tariffs in certain emergency situations, such as declared wars. Trump has done all these tariffs on the claim that we have such an emergency. If the House and Senate have passed bills saying there is no such emergency, can the courts use that in their decision, regardless of Trump's veto? After all, according to the Constitution, it is the Congress, not the President that has the power to declare war. Likewise it follows that the Congress (with or without Trump's veto) is the only body that can say there is NO PRESENT EMERGENCY requiring tariffs.

P.S. Next up, let's see the same GOP courage to pass a bill outlawing aid to Argentina.

Skittles

(168,319 posts)
3. it's a start
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 12:05 AM
23 hrs ago

time for the rest of the greedy old pig party to understand they work for WE THE PEOPLE, not Donald Fucking Trump

timms139

(432 posts)
4. It will be
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 12:47 AM
22 hrs ago

another black mark against Little Mikey and the do nothing republicans in the house when they don't pass it .

Puppyjive

(871 posts)
5. Trump is retaliating
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:35 AM
17 hrs ago

Against Brazil because they put Bolsonaro behind bars. Trump has a very parallel life to Bolsonaro. It's almost shocking how a like these two men are. Brazil dealt with Bolsonaro and put him behind bars for a long time. Trump needs to go the way of Bolsonaro. Lock him up.

Fil1957

(294 posts)
10. Cracks are starting to emerge in the Maga coalition. It's good news, but we've got a long way to go.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 12:02 PM
11 hrs ago

generalbetrayus

(1,321 posts)
13. "The US Senate on Tuesday approved a measure that would terminate Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs on Brazilian imports,
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:39 PM
10 hrs ago

including coffee, beef, and other products..."

I imagine coffee and beef are two of the more popular items in Congress that Orange Julius Caesar has slapped a tariff on. The price of beef in particular has skyrocketed lately.

AllyCat

(18,303 posts)
17. Whaaaa???? You mean, they CAN actually do something to stop
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:54 PM
5 hrs ago

This madness? Wow!

Maybe they could get their heads further out of their backsides and vote with the Dems on other things that will improve our economy and lives.

kimbutgar

(26,347 posts)
18. It will die because the orange turd probably won't sign it into law
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:00 PM
4 hrs ago

And especially if the house doesn’t pass it will die on the vine. Those five repukes know they are leaving or facing a difficult challenger.

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