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BumRushDaShow

(162,418 posts)
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:45 AM 18 hrs ago

Man deported to Laos despite US court order blocking his removal, attorneys say

Source: The Guardian/AP

Tue 28 Oct 2025 17.31 EDT
Last modified on Tue 28 Oct 2025 17.37 EDT


Immigration officials have deported a father living in Alabama to Laos despite a federal court order blocking his removal from the US on the grounds he has a claim to citizenship, the man’s attorneys said on Tuesday.

US district judge Shelly Dick last week ordered US Immigration and Customs Enforcement to keep Chanthila “Shawn” Souvannarath, 44, in the United States while he presented what the judge called his “substantial claim of US citizenship”, court records show. He was born in a refugee camp in Thailand but was granted lawful permanent residence in the US before his first birthday, according to court filings.

But Souvannarath on Sunday messaged his wife on WhatsApp and told her he was in Dongmakkhai, Laos, according to a screenshot she shared with the Associated Press. The message ends with “love y’all”. “It is very unfortunate, especially for the children that we have together,” Beatrice Souvannarath told AP.

Emails, phone calls and text messages sent to ICE and the US Department of Homeland Security were not immediately returned.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/ice-deportation-alabama-laos

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FBaggins

(28,540 posts)
7. Probably not. Filling in the gaps it makes more sense
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:23 AM
15 hrs ago

Not “makes sense” as to why he was arrested or deported… but rather how he could be in Laos after a court order.

The short answer is that we don’t have a reason to believe that he was deported in violation of the court’s order.

He was told at some point prior to Thursday that he would be on the next flight out. He then applied (on his own) for an emergency order. The ACLU was not representing him at the time.

The order was “ex parte” - which is to say that the government wasn’t involved in the hearing (let alone presented their position).

His wife heard from him over the weekend and he had been deported. What we don’t know is when he was deported and (critically) whether that was before or after the government received the order (or even whether it was before or after the court made the order). For all we know he filed the petition a week ago and the next flight was before the judge even saw it.


https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-lamd-3_25-cv-00938/pdf/USCOURTS-lamd-3_25-cv-00938-0.pdf

Fiendish Thingy

(21,232 posts)
10. Thanks for the info
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:53 AM
13 hrs ago

AFAIK, there has only been one instance of the Trump administration openly defying a court order- when they refused to turn around a plane full of deportees headed for El Salvador.

Otherwise, this administration has been restrained by the courts numerous times.

FBaggins

(28,540 posts)
9. Some additional information
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:22 AM
14 hrs ago

I found the docket. The initial petition was filed a week prior to the judge's order. It seems likely that the judge made the order after he was already gone.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71679499/souvannarath-v-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement/

SunSeeker

(57,055 posts)
2. He's been a legal permanent US resident since he was a baby.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:07 AM
18 hrs ago

He's married to a US citizen. His father is a US citizen. He is not here illegally.

Why was he arrested at all, let alone deported?

fujiyamasan

(813 posts)
3. Yes this is what to want to know too
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:13 AM
18 hrs ago

At this point they’re just on a fishing expedition. To make their fucking deportation quotas they’ll be going after naturalized citizens soon enough.

FBaggins

(28,540 posts)
8. That's the claim... But there are reasons to question it.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:30 AM
15 hrs ago

He was arrested in June at his annual check-in with immigration. Those check-ins are for people going through removal proceedings - which means that the Biden administration did not agree that he was a permanent resident

SunSeeker

(57,055 posts)
11. Not so. He could have been working on getting his citizenship, or a myriad of other reasons.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 11:39 AM
12 hrs ago

Innocent until proven guilty, remember?

If ICE had anything on him, they wouldn't have denied him his day in court and summarily deport him to Laos, from where he can't defend himself in US courts. Biden didn't do that, Trump did.

FBaggins

(28,540 posts)
14. Unfortunately - "Innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal defense standard
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 12:25 PM
11 hrs ago

Immigration cases are either "clear and convincing" (likely in this case) or "preponderance of the evidence"

There's no evidence at this point that anyone denied him his day in court. He was detained four months ago after all. He only filed this action after he was told that he was scheduled to be on the next flight. There wasn't a "day in court" even scheduled until last Thursday (by which time he was likely already gone).

"Working on getting his citizenship" doesn't rebut the fact that he must have been in removal proceedings long before Trump took office. He likely WAS "working on" it - very possibly for many years.

SunSeeker

(57,055 posts)
15. Even in civil cases, the burden of proof is on the accuser. He didn't get his day in court, as you note.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:15 PM
9 hrs ago
There wasn't a "day in court" even scheduled until last Thursday (by which time he was likely already gone).


Until the government proves he did something wrong, he is innocent/not liable.

riversedge

(78,560 posts)
4. When Trump-ICE suffer NO consequesnces for NOT following the law, they will continue to do so.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:22 AM
18 hrs ago

riversedge

(78,560 posts)
5. "When he went to check in, they detained him. And our two younger kids were with him," Beatrice Souvannarath told AP.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:30 AM
18 hrs ago

NOthing in the article about why he was deported ---just that he was detained.


...........The deportation comes as Trump administration officials have repeatedly clashed with the courts over their attempts to deport large numbers of immigrants. There have been previous cases of US citizens being deported, including US-born children.

Chanthila Souvannarath was taken into ICE custody in June following an annual check-in with immigration authorities in Alabama, where he had been living, his wife said.

“When he went to check in, they detained him. And our two younger kids were with him,” Beatrice Souvannarath told AP. “It was the hardest two months of my life.”

He spent much of his childhood living with one or both of his parents in Hawaii, Washington state and California. His father, a native of Laos, is a naturalized US citizen, and Souvannarath claims his citizenship derives from that status.............

republianmushroom

(21,812 posts)
13. The American Gestapo does care about court orders.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 11:48 AM
11 hrs ago

Nobody has gone to jail yet for disobeying them. And until somebody does they will continue to ignore them.

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