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BumRushDaShow

(163,177 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:18 PM 9 hrs ago

U.S. troops not liable in boat strikes, classified Justice Dept. memo says

Source: Washington Post

November 12, 2025 at 11:24 a.m. EST


The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) stated in a classified opinion drawn up in the summer that personnel taking part in military strikes on alleged drug-trafficking boats in Latin America would not be exposed to future prosecution, according to four people familiar with the matter.

The decision to pursue an opinion, drafted in July, reflects the heightened concerns within the government raised by senior civilian and military lawyers that such strikes would be illegal.

The strikes, now totaling 19, with a death toll of 76, began in September, though interagency discussions regarding the use of lethal force to combat drug cartels started early in the Trump administration.

Top officers, including Adm. Alvin Holsey, the head of Southern Command, sought caution on such strikes, according to two people, who like several others interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/11/12/trump-drug-boat-venezuela-legal/



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I expect Kegsbreath will have a meltdown.
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U.S. troops not liable in boat strikes, classified Justice Dept. memo says (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 9 hrs ago OP
shithole and the Pentagon are......................... Lovie777 9 hrs ago #1
The word "Nuremburg" means nothing to them... NotHardly 7 hrs ago #12
He's got that immunity Polybius 5 hrs ago #20
That's what Hitler told his gestapo. Irish_Dem 9 hrs ago #2
If they have immunity for the killing, do they have immunity for complying with the orders to kill? And, if they have in2herbs 9 hrs ago #3
Making it legal don't make it right. twodogsbarking 9 hrs ago #4
It would be a law "more honored in the breach than the observance" ananda 9 hrs ago #6
Sounds like you could be contract lawyer. One that is an expert in contracts, not a temp hire. twodogsbarking 9 hrs ago #7
I guess an old English teacher will have to do. ananda 9 hrs ago #8
Reading and interpreting. twodogsbarking 7 hrs ago #15
International Criminal Court 2na fisherman 9 hrs ago #5
They are powerless here though Polybius 5 hrs ago #21
Maybe not while you guiys are in control. BUT bluestarone 9 hrs ago #9
Remember Anwar Nasser Abdulla al-Awlaki? He was a native-born US citizen killed by a drone strike on September 30, 2011, 24601 8 hrs ago #10
Comparing the al-Awlaki case to these continuing attacks on boats is quite the stretch Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #14
Anything can be challenged, and should be. Wtf. nt miyazaki 8 hrs ago #11
An incorrect and meaningless legal opinion. TomSlick 7 hrs ago #13
They will probably try to hold it to the same level BumRushDaShow 6 hrs ago #19
Perhaps. TomSlick 5 hrs ago #23
... Solly Mack 7 hrs ago #16
How convenient.... Quanto Magnus 6 hrs ago #17
Just following orders. Right? n/t Munu 6 hrs ago #18
Probably kevinore 5 hrs ago #22
Nuremberg NewEnglandAutumn 4 hrs ago #24
John Yoo and Alberto Gonzalez come to mind. Buddyzbuddy 4 hrs ago #25
Somebody probably told the Gestapo and the SS the same thing. Turbineguy 4 hrs ago #26
The international courts may disagree as will American courts JT45242 4 hrs ago #27
John Yoo also wrote an opinion claiming water boarding was not torture. surfered 3 hrs ago #28
So..... COL Mustard 3 hrs ago #29
Says you. kacekwl 3 hrs ago #30
Didn't a number of German officers and soldiers try the defence that they were just following orders? cstanleytech 1 hr ago #31

NotHardly

(2,226 posts)
12. The word "Nuremburg" means nothing to them...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
7 hrs ago

Imagine how surprised they will be that it works as well as Hitler telling his Nazis they'll be OK if they are ever tried for war crimes.

NOTE: On October 1, 1946, the verdicts on 22 of the original 24 defendants were handed down for the Nuremberg trials. Three of the defendants were acquitted. Four were convicted and sentenced to terms of imprisonment ranging from 10 to 20 years. Three were sentenced to life imprisonment. Twelve of the defendants were sentenced to death by hanging.

2nd Note: Twelve of the Nuremberg defendants were sentenced to death by hanging. Ten of them—Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Julius Streicher, Alfred Rosenberg, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Fritz Sauckel, Alfred Jodl, Wilhelm Keitel, and Arthur Seyss-Inquart—were hanged on October 16, 1946. Martin Bormann was tried and condemned to death in absentia, and Hermann Göring committed suicide by swallowing a cyanide capsule before he could be executed.

Two notes were edited for clarification & details.

in2herbs

(4,065 posts)
3. If they have immunity for the killing, do they have immunity for complying with the orders to kill? And, if they have
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:28 PM
9 hrs ago

immunity to both orders why are they complying???

ananda

(33,962 posts)
6. It would be a law "more honored in the breach than the observance"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:43 PM
9 hrs ago

as Hamlet might say.

twodogsbarking

(16,654 posts)
7. Sounds like you could be contract lawyer. One that is an expert in contracts, not a temp hire.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:45 PM
9 hrs ago

2na fisherman

(165 posts)
5. International Criminal Court
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:35 PM
9 hrs ago

I wonder if this legal body will bring charges in future since these extrajudicial killings will be swept under the MAGA rug by a corrupt US Supreme Court. This may be a hollow gesture since they have gone after Netanyahu for his crimes against humanity but nothing happens.

Polybius

(21,156 posts)
21. They are powerless here though
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 07:55 PM
5 hrs ago

Even if they bring charges, he can just not travel to countries that threaten to comply with the International Criminal Court.

bluestarone

(20,756 posts)
9. Maybe not while you guiys are in control. BUT
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 04:02 PM
9 hrs ago

Allowing this, would give military the right to kill US citizens, without a trial.

24601

(4,126 posts)
10. Remember Anwar Nasser Abdulla al-Awlaki? He was a native-born US citizen killed by a drone strike on September 30, 2011,
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 04:25 PM
8 hrs ago

in Yemen. There was no trial before the strike. Al-Awlaki was the first U.S. citizen to be targeted and assassinated by a U.S. government drone strike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

Prairie Gates

(6,796 posts)
14. Comparing the al-Awlaki case to these continuing attacks on boats is quite the stretch
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:59 PM
7 hrs ago

Whether Awlaki was an active threat is certainly debatable, but it doesn't seem reasonable to me to say these are the same type of activity or even similar.

Go find the Wikipedia page on even one of the people who has been killed in the boat strikes, for example.

TomSlick

(12,806 posts)
13. An incorrect and meaningless legal opinion.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:59 PM
7 hrs ago

Reliance on legal advice may be a mitigating factor but it is not a defense.

Anyone forwarding or executing the orders is guilty of murder.

BumRushDaShow

(163,177 posts)
19. They will probably try to hold it to the same level
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:59 PM
6 hrs ago

of the other OLC "opinions" - e.g., the infamous one about not investigating Presidents just before elections.

TomSlick

(12,806 posts)
23. Perhaps.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:07 PM
5 hrs ago

All bets are off as soon as a Democratic President is sworn-in.

At this point, the DOJ is so discredited that OLC opinions are a waste of paper.

kevinore

(83 posts)
22. Probably
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:01 PM
5 hrs ago

They probably will not answer to the US, but the ICC can, and should investigate the US military and government for atrocities. Any future president should allow the ICC to try and, if guilty, punish the criminals.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,884 posts)
25. John Yoo and Alberto Gonzalez come to mind.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:02 PM
4 hrs ago

Does anybody still believe their B.S. legal opinions about torture.
Finding somebody to write a legal opinion to give permission to do something that is clearly illegal clearly has no obstacles. The consequences if any come later while the illegal action is carried out.

I'm sure you've heard the statement, "it's above my pay grade", no truerer words were ever spoken. The legal opinion gives the actors legal cover. The actions are covered. The court process to challenge those orders move at a snails pace which plays into a tyrants hands that knows how to demand action before it can't be stopped.
For example, tearing down a wing without permits or approval before it can be stopped. Oops, so sorry, oh well.

JT45242

(3,732 posts)
27. The international courts may disagree as will American courts
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:06 PM
4 hrs ago

The corrupt DOJ is not really an authority on the law.

surfered

(10,249 posts)
28. John Yoo also wrote an opinion claiming water boarding was not torture.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:18 PM
3 hrs ago

Even though the people who invented it called it “aqua tortura.” He pronounced it “enhanced interrogation.” Legal now!

cstanleytech

(28,032 posts)
31. Didn't a number of German officers and soldiers try the defence that they were just following orders?
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 12:13 AM
1 hr ago
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