Thanks for noticing!

he may even release a trillion pages of nonsense

but i dont think we are going to see who epstein's clients are.

... when the override is too close to veto so he/she use it hoping to squeeze a compromise or flip a couple of vote. It's fairly rare because it carries no conclusion.

against the bill, refused to override. Then say, “you had your vote Democrats. End of story.”

... that he just told them to do?

Their plan is Bondi. She will refuse to do it, because on going investigation. No doubt about that, in my thinking.

If he vetoes, he's now flipped on his supposed support of the bill, which was itself a flip on opposing the bill. He would look ridiculous, and more to the point, patently guilty.

And if he signs it, he's sunk.

Even if he does sign off and the files are released, the content is but a fraction (1%est.) of all available. The rest in DOJ hands are hot potatoes for other actors and will be withheld.
The incriminating docs on Trumpy are already in the hands of Epstein’s victims’ counsel who got them from his estate, quite willingly.
And they’re going to surface Buckle up, the real public sinking is coming soon!

&quot C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;"
That means that only those parts involving the investigations of democratic persons. Narrowly tailored and temporary. All others must be disclosed in full. I think this is why Massie (R KY) told the Senate "Don't muck it up!"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4405/text
Copy and paste of my earlier post

Perhaps they can do another discharge petition, this time for a truly independent counsel to investigate and make sure all are held accountable. Trumps DOJ can not be trusted, the only way to get to the truth, including who knew and when did they know and who was involved with covering it up.

it is veto proof. Hope I got that right. Correct me if not.

interesting that they used unanimous consent instead of voting

Lots of magical things going on with this. hmm...

Didn't do the same.

that could come back to bite him

2 GOP and 3 Dems abstained

he is the only Republican (except for the 4 who signed the discharge petition) who cast an honest vote on the bill. The rest of the Republicans already demonstrated they didn't honestly support the bill because they didn't sign the discharge petition. Theoretically, there could be a couple GOP Senators who legitimately supported it, but I'm not aware of anyone who came out publicly in support until the past day or two.

In a weird way, I think this helps prove that a large purpose of the shutdown as far as Republicans were concerned was to avoid releasing the Epstein files. The fact that all Republicans but 1 between the House and Senate combined were willing to vote against a bill they clearly didn't support, shows how terrified they were of the consequences of voting against it and being labeled a pedophile protector.

Based on info that has leaked, many if not all are well aware of how damning and disgusting some of the material in the files is.

Unimous consent does not make it Veto Proof. F&^K!

If it were to be vetoed, they'd have to vote again to override the veto, but since no Republicans were willing to vote against it today, it would look even worse for them if they voted NO on overriding the veto.

And if something is blacked or hidden , they know what it is , so the truth will come out

their attorneys? Does the WH know what the survivors are planning on doing, what the survivors know? Are there DOJ/FBI whistleblowers? Are there former Biden DOJ officials who know exactly what is in the files? What kinds of pressure are they receiving that is forcing this stance by congress to do something/anything? And what guarantees do they have that this will turn out OK for the GOP and WH? What we are seeing must be part of some serious crisis management team with a plan? I'm aware of the Epstein/dem investigation tactic but that could be a slender reed that may ultimately fail, maybe legally but certainly politically.

I still don't think they'll release any report detrimental to the WH (inc Epstein, but also climate, economy, immigration, etc). If they do release something halfway suspect, it's because the unredacted, unclassified, original files are much worse than what's released.

As Ari and Alex just said, "the Trump era might be ending."

Oh, MAN! Be still my heart!

It would be truly lovely never to have to hear another word about that orange weasel.

Sure, that alone would be a big relief, even if temporary.

telling him it is over? Things are moving so fast. To have this bill pass the Senate by unanimous consent before it is even sent over.... WOW!

Of course, we all know who we’re dealing with, so I still impulsively tamp down my own hopes.

I want employee counts, time spent, which pages they are working on, everything that might otherwise be used by a law firm to justify its billing.
I thought all investigations had been stopped in January. *IF* there's ongoing one (that wasn't just started by Rump into supposed dem transgressions, which is also OK but only the investigation into the current powers that be are of any relevance here), I want proof (as will the court, if it's anywhere close to maintaining its integrity).

And bondi closed the files saying there was no there there to indict non-indicted subjects.

That was in July or June. But now, she will obey pedo the felon's order to investigate the Dems (Clinton & Co).

But since she stated that no other charges were necessary in July, she will have to justify her statements back then.

But he won't.

And why in the world did a man with such a long, public, and immense record of sex crimes against
young girls (100% internet rumor is that in the 1990s Trump paid off 2 boys for sex crimes he had
committed against them) ever become President? Outside of cheating and a dirty media.

There are 2 scenarios for if Trump doesn't sign it.
1)Becomes law without signature (Congress in session): If the President does not sign or veto the bill within 10 days (excluding Sundays) of it being presented to him, it automatically becomes law, provided that Congress is still in session at that time.
2)Does not become law (Pocket Veto): If Congress adjourns its session before the 10-day period expires and the President has not signed the bill, it does not become law. This action is known as a pocket veto, and it cannot be overridden by Congress.

Thanks for the information.

Just an adjournment for the Holiday I think qualifies. Of course, Trump can sign it at anytime before the adjournment, but if he doesn't, then the bill is dead.

…. international child sex trafficking ring just with his beauty pageants and modeling try outs in
order to recruit new girls for “the biz” and that Mike “Grindr” Johnson is trying to protect Trump
from being held accountable for his actions. Either that or the files that will be released have been
scrubbed clean.

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There are plenty of people who have seen the files. Who knows how many people were working on the investigation under the Biden DOJ which Trump/Bondi stopped immediately upon taking office but I'm sure there were a lot of people working on it. The Biden DOJ was deciding who to charge and with what crimes. I'm sure there will be whistleblowers revealing the truth if necessary. Oh, and the bill itself details the only information that can be legitimately withheld or redacted. The only info that can be legally redacted is names and personal info of the victims. The names of any persons who had contact with Epstein that are mentioned in the files should be released. Embarrassment is not a valid reason for redaction.

(1) The Attorney general may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that—

(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims’ personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

(B) depict or contain child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 2252–2252A;

(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;

(D) depict or contain images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person; or

(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.

(2) All redactions must be accompanied by a written justification published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress.

(3) To the extent that any covered information would otherwise be redacted or withheld as classified information under this section, the Attorney General shall declassify that classified information to the maximum extent possible.

(A) If the Attorney General makes a determination that covered information may not be declassified and made available in a manner that protects the national security of the United States, including methods or sources related to national security, the Attorney General shall release an unclassified summary for each of the redacted or withheld classified information.

(4) All decisions to classify any covered information after July 1, 2025 shall be published in the Federal Register and submitted to Congress, including the date of classification, the identity of the classifying authority, and an unclassified summary of the justification.

The case law regarding "pocket vetoes" is somewhat murky. Among other things, whether it only applies when Congress adjourns sine die or applies during any recess, even one of just a few days so long as it covers the tenth day has not been definitively resolved. Moreover, the standard practice for some time has been for Congress, when it goes on recess, to designate someone to receive a veto message from the president, the argument being that by doing so, it means the basis for the pocket veto procedure - the unavailability of Congress to receive the message -- wouldn't apply. It has been 18 years since the last attempt to pocket veto a bill that passed with a veto-proof margin.

In any event, the constitution refers to "adjournment" and and an adjournment is different from a "recess". The procedure for adjourning the House varies depending on the length of the adjournment. For example, adjournments of three days or less are taken pursuant to motion (or by unanimous consent) ; (2) adjournments of more than three days, which require the consent of the Senate, and adjournments sine die,
which end each session of a Congress and which require the consent of both Houses. Adjournments of more than three days or sine die are
taken pursuant to concurrent resolutions.

If the President takes no action while Congress is in session, and ten days pass, the bill automatically becomes law. However, if Congress adjourns before ten days expire and the President does not sign, it becomes a “pocket veto” and cannot be overridden.

- From “How a bill becomes law…” https://legalclarity.org/how-a-bill-becomes-a-law-in-8-steps/

So Johnson and Thune have a way to f**k us over… or, more likely IMHO, the DOJ will assign some stooge to “investigate” something and they’ll prolong that process forever.

Ball's in his court, I guess. I'm still sort of expecting a pocket veto.

when TSF signs the bill, he will not be holding up the signed document for showtime.

Pam Bondi announced they DOJ is investigating Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and other Democrats to determine their connections to Epstein. Then, immediately, Trump told Republicans to vote to release the files.

It was all a setup.

Now DOJ will respond that there is an ongoing investigation and the Epstein files are part of that investigation and, for that reason, must remain sealed.

Trump wins again.

And a lot more emails are coming soon to a theatre near them...

Schumer set this up! I can't wait to read how he did this!

Hooray Senate! Good job Chuck Schumer!

Either they're scrubbed or they'll claim open investigation.

Many of the same Republicans who voted no - twice - on impeachment.

Is something in the works, behind the scenes? This is greased lightning.

hacked into the DOJ and deleted the files.

of the Republican CABAL playing "We were victims too" card. But when WE were made aware, WE acted quickly and WE are the good guys in this whole thing, not the Dems........

In the real world, the Repubs would go the whole nine yards.....Impeach him, charge him with countless Felony crimes, find him guilty and put him in superman where he can talk to no one.........All just to make an example out of him and to win over his MAGAot cult......

Then, carry on with all they have been doing, but in the shadows, with Yes Men installed in the White House.....instead of some loud mouth psychopath constantly 'spilling" in public daily.....everything he and the entire Trump Republican CABAL and Republican Party are doing.

either the files have been scrubbed or the DOJ is going to claim they can't release the files because there's an ongoing investigation.

Why aren’t the victims giving details? NDAs perhaps? How about a bill to void any NDAs so they can speak without repercussions. Name names, places, times, and acts.