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BumRushDaShow

(164,031 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:10 AM Nov 21

U.S. pushing Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving or lose support

Source: Washington Post

November 21, 2025 at 7:52 a.m. EST


KYIV — The White House is pressuring Ukraine to sign on to its new peace proposal by Thanksgiving or lose U.S. support to the country, according to two officials familiar with the talks, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive diplomatic discussions.

U.S. Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll presented Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday with a version of the 28-point plan President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff recently drafted with Russian envoy Kirill Dmitriev.

That plan, which has been leaked in the press and confirmed by several officials, included several red lines for Ukraine, including a massive reduction of its army size and ceding territory to Russia that it has not yet conquered militarily.

Although Trump has drawn down direct aid to Ukraine, the U.S. has brokered deals for Ukraine to receive U.S. weapons through European partners and continues to share intelligence that is crucial to Ukraine’s survival on the battlefield.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/11/21/ukraine-war-peace-proposal-witkoff-thanksgiving/



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U.S. pushing Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving or lose support (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 21 OP
Some deal... NewHendoLib Nov 21 #1
Breaking! 3825-87867 Nov 21 #2
Here's the actual photo. Ray Bruns Nov 21 #13
Oh, that was sweet RazorbackExpat Nov 21 #23
Maybe Putin is "Bubba" Turbineguy Nov 21 #42
Threat and coercion are not negotiation. no_hypocrisy Nov 21 #3
Thanksgiving is an American holiday ... it means nothing in Ukraine FakeNoose Nov 21 #4
That was my first thought too when I saw the headline! EuterpeThelo Nov 21 #11
first thing I thought.... American arrogance Evolve Dammit Nov 21 #41
It's nothing more than a statement of surrender for Ukraine. sinkingfeeling Nov 21 #5
As usual, no deal. travelingthrulife Nov 21 #6
I don't think Ukraine will lose the American citizen's support............. Lovie777 Nov 21 #7
But I suspect they feel a greater need for quakerboy Nov 21 #34
You helped do this, WaPo. travelingthrulife Nov 21 #8
I think it's time Ukraine said fuck you to the US Bluestocking Nov 21 #9
They need weapons. maxsolomon Nov 21 #36
It's Not So Much the U.S. As It Is the B.O.S.S. lavoosh99 Nov 22 #45
Bubba Putin unzipped C_U_L8R Nov 21 #10
One word answer to Trump's peace deal. Botany Nov 21 #12
Please Zelensky tell TSF to SHOVE IT! bluestarone Nov 21 #14
the U.S. doesn't have any leverage with Ukraine - Nigrum Cattus Nov 21 #15
Is it treason yet? NT Happy Hoosier Nov 21 #16
Sounds like extortion via Putin mdbl Nov 21 #17
And sounds like appeasement. tetedur Nov 21 #30
By Thanksgiving? If Russia invaded Turkey, would the US also propose a peace deal by Thanksgiving? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 21 #18
A PUNishing Betrayal 2na fisherman Nov 21 #32
Putin's puppet can blow it out his ass. Just hope the diaper holds. Efilroft Sul Nov 21 #19
And this is going to get Trump a Nobel Peace Prize......how?...... Aristus Nov 21 #20
FU Trump and Putin! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 21 #21
Why is a US Real Estate Magnate negotiating in Russia without a Ukranian representative? ChicagoTeamster Nov 21 #22
This! RazorbackExpat Nov 21 #25
Like that ceasefire agreement in Gaza which was violated before the ink dried? travelingthrulife Nov 21 #24
Trump should know you negotiate from a position of strength Blumancru Nov 21 #26
But Putin's strength over Trump is great. He has the Bubba photos. ChicagoTeamster Nov 21 #28
Zelensky is not stupid Bayard Nov 21 #27
Or letting Russia keep Karelia. maxsolomon Nov 21 #37
What support??? n/t the nelm Nov 21 #29
If this were to happen without Ukraine's agreement, The Madcap Nov 21 #31
Why? Figarosmom Nov 21 #33
I hope and assume that Zelensky has been prepared for this decision for awhile now LiberalLovinLug Nov 21 #35
President Zelenskyy... ultralite001 Nov 21 #38
Ukraine's message to the fat orange imbecile should be, "NO!!!" wolfie001 Nov 21 #39
The parallels to 1938 Munich appeasement are ominous. paulrevere2018 Nov 21 #40
"Peace in our time" AZ8theist Nov 21 #43
What Happened To NATO Members OhioTim Nov 22 #44
They are doing that BumRushDaShow Nov 22 #46

EuterpeThelo

(149 posts)
11. That was my first thought too when I saw the headline!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:48 AM
Nov 21

Just another arbitrary and capricious deadline, just because he can.

Lovie777

(21,280 posts)
7. I don't think Ukraine will lose the American citizen's support.............
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:29 AM
Nov 21

WH is full of shit. Same plan but more Ukraine land to Russia and negotiations with out Pres Z.

quakerboy

(14,679 posts)
34. But I suspect they feel a greater need for
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:02 PM
Nov 21

missiles and ammunition than moral support.

They are in a very tough spot. Can Europe keep them going when Trump finally fully, publicly surrenders to Russia?

maxsolomon

(37,944 posts)
36. They need weapons.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 03:38 PM
Nov 21

They need equipment.
They need ordinance.
They need missile defense.

The US has been supplying all that to this point. Whether Europe can fill the gap if Mfer takes his ball and goes home? TBD.

Trump wants it to end so he can claim credit and set Putin's money free.

lavoosh99

(35 posts)
45. It's Not So Much the U.S. As It Is the B.O.S.S.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 04:19 AM
Nov 22

Zelensky should tell the Burnt Orange Shit Stain to take one of the grenades he is threatening to withhold and shove it up his gargantuan ass (it should fit easily, his brain isn't taking up that much space.)

Botany

(76,021 posts)
12. One word answer to Trump's peace deal.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:29 AM
Nov 21

No. It is a surrender document. Ukraine has to give up 30% of its territory and citizens to Putin,
Ukraine gives up its mineral wealth to Russia, and Russia gets to walk away from its horrific war
crimes. Trump is just turning over Putin’s wish list to Zelenskyy.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,134 posts)
15. the U.S. doesn't have any leverage with Ukraine -
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 10:18 AM
Nov 21

the repugs have failed the U.S. and every former ally
Ukraine doesn't need to reduce their military for
anyone except the drunk ruskies

2na fisherman

(183 posts)
32. A PUNishing Betrayal
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:30 PM
Nov 21

In such negotiations, Trump's goose is cooked because there was also something on the table that Grease (sic) was to be wiped out too.
Would Trump give back Alaska to Russia?

ChicagoTeamster

(266 posts)
22. Why is a US Real Estate Magnate negotiating in Russia without a Ukranian representative?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:38 AM
Nov 21

Ukraine is rejecting the deal already. They should follow up by presenting their own proposal which should include Russia withdrawing immediately to be followed up by war crimes tribunals and reparations payments from Russia and the Trump family and all of their businesses. And a NATO buffer zone 50 miles inside of Russian territory to include a No Fly zone. In addition, Ukraine gets immediate NATO and EU membership and the return or replacement of all of their Nuclear weapons.

Blumancru

(109 posts)
26. Trump should know you negotiate from a position of strength
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:44 AM
Nov 21

And both he and PooTin are pretty weak now. He has no influence or authority to make anything happen Russia is in deep economic trouble due to Ukraine damaging their refineries. This will continue.

ChicagoTeamster

(266 posts)
28. But Putin's strength over Trump is great. He has the Bubba photos.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:43 PM
Nov 21

Funny how that was leaked last week instead of years ago. After Ukraine successfully bombed Russian refineries and terminals and had their Pokrovsk resupply routes almost completely cut off. Putin wants the Donbas territory and the Crimea.

The Madcap

(1,635 posts)
31. If this were to happen without Ukraine's agreement,
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:19 PM
Nov 21

Zelensky should immediately send every single drone, missile, etc., on a one-way trip to Putin, wherever he is hiding out. Oh, and maybe a couple of ATACMS to the nearest reactor to Moscow just for good measure. And maybe a crew of expert assassins.

Russia should pay dearly for this evil.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,541 posts)
35. I hope and assume that Zelensky has been prepared for this decision for awhile now
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:55 PM
Nov 21

He should be prepared for this moment when he has to make a decision, along with his European allies, to break ties with the US and all the weaponry and intelligence they provide.

wolfie001

(6,640 posts)
39. Ukraine's message to the fat orange imbecile should be, "NO!!!"
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 04:49 PM
Nov 21

Don't be diplomatic with these putin-lovin' nazis' either. Go with Europe until January 2029. I hope we still have a Democratic Republic by then.

BumRushDaShow

(164,031 posts)
46. They are doing that
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 07:53 AM
Nov 22

Supposedly 45 gave them permission to buy from the U.S. and then transfer the arms to Ukraine. I expect the manufacturers/dealers don't care who buys their stuff as long as they get paid for it.

Thing is, I expect a lot of it hasn't been manufactured yet, but the orders are in.

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