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Zorro

(18,241 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:57 AM Nov 21

In reversal, Coast Guard again classifies swastikas, nooses as hate symbols

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Source: Washington Post

The new order came hours after The Post reported the service would instead classify such symbols “potentially divisive” under guidelines set for release next month.

In a stunning and hasty reversal, the U.S. Coast Guard announced late Thursday that swastikas and nooses are prohibited hate symbols — erasing an attempt to soften their definition after the plan elicited furious backlash.

The abrupt policy change occurred hours after The Washington Post first reported that the service was about to enact new harassment guidelines that downgraded the meaning of such symbols of fascism and racism, labeling them instead “potentially divisive.” That shift had been set to take effect Dec. 15.

In a memo to Coast Guard personnel, the service’s acting commandant, Adm. Kevin Lunday, said the policy document issued late Thursday night supersedes all previous guidance on the issue.

“Divisive or hate symbols and flags are prohibited,” Lunday wrote in his memo. “These symbols and flags include, but are not limited to, the following: a noose, a swastika, and any symbols or flags co-opted or adopted by hate-based groups as representations of supremacy, racial or religious intolerance, antisemitism, or any other improper bias.”

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In reversal, Coast Guard again classifies swastikas, nooses as hate symbols (Original Post) Zorro Nov 21 OP
I guess it's good trump admin often backtracks on such things, but fact it was even proposed is disgusting. Silent Type Nov 21 #1
I'm expecting them to NOT live up to the current "turn-around". NotHardly Nov 21 #16
It's sad they couldn't figure that out on their own C_U_L8R Nov 21 #2
They totally knew what they weredoing. intheflow Nov 21 #4
They try it, walk back, try again later on another front Easterncedar Nov 21 #3
this is almost straight out of Tim Snyder's "On Tyranny" SaydiTom Nov 21 #5
Who was responsible? William Seger Nov 21 #6
Same here. Raven123 Nov 21 #18
MAGA would classify them as "great" symbols IronLionZion Nov 21 #7
Pushback works. nt SunSeeker Nov 21 #8
Shamed into the reversal. WestMichRad Nov 21 #9
Of course they did. The whole frigging cabal are TACOs. KPN Nov 21 #10
Chaos orangecrush Nov 21 #11
More, please Seinan Sensei Nov 21 #12
Hegseth: Can't anyone take a joke? no_hypocrisy Nov 21 #13
Check His Tattoos 2na fisherman Nov 21 #17
What's the worst is that they had to be shamed into it by the citizenry. ms liberty Nov 21 #14
TACOS spread to Coast Guard! Wonder Why Nov 21 #15
It's not clear to me that this is actually a "reversal" at all. relayerbob Nov 21 #19
What matters to the deplorables is the effort Auggie Nov 21 #20
Now you see it, Bayard Nov 21 #21
These clowns are really good at walking backwards. Borogove Nov 21 #22
I think Coast Guard brass stood up to the Homeland Security nazis Mysterian Nov 21 #23
Locking as a duplicate Yonnie3 Nov 21 #24

Silent Type

(12,197 posts)
1. I guess it's good trump admin often backtracks on such things, but fact it was even proposed is disgusting.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:59 AM
Nov 21

NotHardly

(2,378 posts)
16. I'm expecting them to NOT live up to the current "turn-around".
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:36 PM
Nov 21

So much flip flopping gives me no encouragement for any of this sh*t from any of the Trump admin lackies.

C_U_L8R

(48,625 posts)
2. It's sad they couldn't figure that out on their own
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:01 PM
Nov 21

intheflow

(29,908 posts)
4. They totally knew what they weredoing.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:27 PM
Nov 21

They were just hoping nobody would notice, and if they did, they'd keep their mouth shut about it. They honestly don't give a shit.

Easterncedar

(5,329 posts)
3. They try it, walk back, try again later on another front
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:04 PM
Nov 21

They have been successful in purging women and people of color from command positions and rolling back decades of progress in all levels of humanitarian initiatives worldwide. We need to keep pushing back on all fronts until this immediate horror ends and then keep fighting for a better world. Never give up.

SaydiTom

(63 posts)
5. this is almost straight out of Tim Snyder's "On Tyranny"
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:34 PM
Nov 21

fascists push the envelope as far as they can, but most times they get away with it with zero resistance

William Seger

(12,090 posts)
6. Who was responsible?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:49 PM
Nov 21

Acting Coast Guard commandant Adm. Kevin Lunday announced the reversal, but nobody wants to take "credit" for trying to pull this off:

It was unclear Friday morning who had directed the attempt to reclassify such symbols as “potentially divisive” rather than hate symbols. A Coast Guard spokeswoman did not immediately address questions about how late-night policy reversal came to be.

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the Coast Guard under the purview of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi L. Noem, did not respond to queries Friday seeking to understand whether Noem or her staff at DHS had any involvement in attempting to classify swastikas and nooses as “potentially divisive,” or whether the secretary had even known about the planned language change before The Post’s story was published.


I want to know, was it Noem or someone higher?

Raven123

(7,351 posts)
18. Same here.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:42 PM
Nov 21

IronLionZion

(50,492 posts)
7. MAGA would classify them as "great" symbols
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:55 PM
Nov 21

SunSeeker

(57,354 posts)
8. Pushback works. nt
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:02 PM
Nov 21

WestMichRad

(2,834 posts)
9. Shamed into the reversal.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:16 PM
Nov 21

Be on the lookout for them to try and quietly ease back…

KPN

(17,063 posts)
10. Of course they did. The whole frigging cabal are TACOs.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:18 PM
Nov 21

What are TACOs comprised of? Mostly insecure bullies, but also plain old insecures -- bullies or not.

But that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. In fact, the opposite.

orangecrush

(27,745 posts)
11. Chaos
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:20 PM
Nov 21

Seinan Sensei

(1,282 posts)
12. More, please
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:21 PM
Nov 21

Now do that damn “Thin Blue Line” flag

no_hypocrisy

(53,916 posts)
13. Hegseth: Can't anyone take a joke?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:28 PM
Nov 21

2na fisherman

(183 posts)
17. Check His Tattoos
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:38 PM
Nov 21

Besides his hateful demeanor and face, I wonder how many hate symbols he has on his body.

ms liberty

(10,848 posts)
14. What's the worst is that they had to be shamed into it by the citizenry.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:29 PM
Nov 21

Fucking fascists.

Wonder Why

(6,426 posts)
15. TACOS spread to Coast Guard!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:32 PM
Nov 21

relayerbob

(7,332 posts)
19. It's not clear to me that this is actually a "reversal" at all.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:53 PM
Nov 21

More like something the administration was trying to force down the Coast Guard's throat, and they're having none of it.

Here's Lunday's actual statement:

“The claims that the U.S. Coast Guard will no longer classify swastikas, nooses or other extremist imagery as prohibited symbols are categorically false. These symbols have been and remain prohibited in the Coast Guard per policy. Any display, use or promotion of such symbols, as always, will be thoroughly investigated and severely punished. The Coast Guard remains unwavering in its commitment to fostering a safe, respectful and professional workplace. Symbols such as swastikas, nooses and other extremist or racist imagery violate our core values and are treated with the seriousness they warrant under current policy."

The Coast Guard followed it with this. Note the specific and repeated use of the word "Lawful":

"Today, @USCG announced the release of a policy and lawful order that doubles down on its current policies prohibiting the display, distribution or use of hate symbols by Coast Guard personnel.

The policy and lawful order provides clear definitions, guidance and expectations for Coast Guard personnel. It describes prohibited hate symbols in alignment with military policy.

This is not an updated policy but a new policy to combat any misinformation and double down that the U.S. Coast Guard forbids these symbols."

Auggie

(32,751 posts)
20. What matters to the deplorables is the effort
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:59 PM
Nov 21

Trump wins anyhow simply for trying

Bayard

(28,037 posts)
21. Now you see it,
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:02 PM
Nov 21

Now you don't. Wish they'd do this with trump's blathering.

Borogove

(390 posts)
22. These clowns are really good at walking backwards.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:04 PM
Nov 21

Mysterian

(6,093 posts)
23. I think Coast Guard brass stood up to the Homeland Security nazis
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:08 PM
Nov 21

The military will no go along with a nazi takeover of our nation.

Yonnie3

(19,127 posts)
24. Locking as a duplicate
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:18 PM
Nov 21

Please continue discussion at the earlier thread https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143569036

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