US tells Nato if Zelenskyy does not sign peace deal Ukraine will face worse in future
Source: The Guardian
US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.
The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later, he told them, according to one person who was present.
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Driscoll, a close friend of the US vice-president, JD Vance, who has only recently been put on the Ukraine portfolio, declined to go into detail about whether the deal on the table matched a 28-point plan that had been published in the press. Some things matter, some are window dressing and we most focused on the things that matter, he said, according to the source.
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Julie Davis, the US chargée daffaires in Kyiv, was also present at the meeting and told the other diplomats that although the terms of the deal were punishing for Ukraine, it had little choice but to accept or face worse in future. The deal does not get better from here, it gets worse, she said.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/22/ukraine-zelenskyy-peace-deal-us-nato-meeting
This is just Trump being Putin's enforcer. Telling your ally "we're going to make things worse and worse for you" shows you're not actually an ally, you're an enemy.
Botany
(76,021 posts)bluestarone
(20,902 posts)found dead shortly after signing this piece of shit deal.
OLDMDDEM
(2,961 posts)Deuxcents
(25,023 posts)NATO must know that Putin will be back for more. Ukraine deserves better negotiators 🇺🇦
yellow dahlia
(4,076 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,380 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,076 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,380 posts)They die either way.
I will thinking of the saying here in the US, "live free or die."
yellow dahlia
(4,076 posts)I used to live there.
It is intended as libertarian/right wing motto. But maybe the world should re-work it for today.
Irish_Dem
(78,380 posts)Nazi fascists are taking over the world.
yellow dahlia
(4,076 posts)NickB79
(20,194 posts)Because Ukraine won't be the end of Russia's westward push, and the US can no longer be counted on to provide support.
BeyondGeography
(40,757 posts)Or maybe that IS the point. Ditching democratic Europe is high on MAGAs dream list.
VMA131Marine
(5,131 posts)William Seger
(12,090 posts)... and #rump has forfeited any claim of being the "leader of the free world." He doesn't give a shit about the future of Western democracy, but Europe knows why Putin must be stopped, so I'm confident they will not abandon Ukraine. The one and only thing #rump cares about in this war is getting that Nobel Peace Prize, because his ridiculously fragile ego simply cannot stand the fact that Obama got one. I think he knows he's running out of time to broker a "deal" before Russia's invasion collapses.
Mister Ed
(6,759 posts)ChicagoTeamster
(266 posts)And after Trump's disastrous betrayal of the Kurds in Syria and negotiating the withdrawal from Afghanistan with the Russians and the Taliban and not the Afghans and our IFOR (NATO) allies so Russia could just come rolling back in and make America look untrustworthy on the World stage (Putin's agenda), this just proves Trump is negotiating on Putin's behalf. Not America's.
Baitball Blogger
(51,548 posts)Marthe48
(22,455 posts)F**k trump, putin and the poison they dumped on the planet.
Marthe48
(22,455 posts)be a shame if something happened to it.
IbogaProject
(5,475 posts)A deal will require both to give some but not this which is mostly a surrender.
Martin68
(26,746 posts)Beartracks
(14,246 posts)Emrys
(8,816 posts)As a further example of his simplistic thinking beyond the "it must be done sooner rather than later" bullshit, he's also explained away the lack of involvement of crucial international partners who have skin in the game - certainly more that the US has - in the following terms:

International affairs don't work like that and never have. If Driscoll knew anything about them at all and had any self-respect, he'd be too embarrassed to take the line he's been ordered to in front of a distracted bunch of young kids, let alone adults and seasoned negotiators with their countries' welfare on the line and the eyes of the world gazing worriedly on them.
I could rant at length at the moment, but I'm contracting that out to Michael Weiss, who's summing things up on Twitter, far better than I could:
@michaeldweiss
"The more cooks in the kitchen." Right. When you strip away the sheer nonsense of this plan, and get beyond the panic now gripping Europe and D.C., you realize what is being demanded by people with no background in diplomacy and no relationships with Western partners is this: Settling a 10 year war, re-litigating 30+ years of security architecture in Europe, deciding the permanent composition NATO, deciding how the EU will use and spend other people's frozen money -- with no Congressional oversight, no NATO consensus, and no official Russian buy-in on any of the foregoing. All done and dusted before the tryptophan kicks in on Thursday. Easy-peasy. https://politico.eu/article/ukraine-allies-rush-counter-trumps-non-starter-peace-plan/

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
You don't get to say Europe should take on more responsibility for its own defense and security, only to see it do so, and then dictate the terms of Europe's defense and security without European consent. The sooner people realize the absence of American agency here, the more they'll see what a stupid bluff this all is.

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
It also helps to realize that what many see as a well-laid and carefully orchestrated conspiracy is more like a Leroy Jenkins-style end-run by a gaggle of idiots in way over their heads, who think dealing with elected officials, militaries and bureaucracies on the continent is the same as taking bribes from emirs in the Gulf.
yellow dahlia
(4,076 posts)I hope the EU gets behind Ukraine and gives them the cover they need.
bronxiteforever
(10,996 posts)And the caving cowards of Vance and Rubio. Capitulation of Ukraine will be another wound for the GOP in the midterms.
Momma
(17 posts)His pro-Russian plan for Ukraine was agreed with Kirill Alexandrovich Dmitriev, a Russian businessman and CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, which has at least $10bn of Russian government funds to co-invest in the Russian economy. Dmitriev has been sanctioned by the US Treasury doing business with him is illegal for an American, but Jared Kushner, Trumps son-in-law, was also there.
Thats on top of the extortionate minerals deal that Zelensky signed with the Trump administration, which promises American control of 50 per cent of the profits from Ukraines as-yet-untapped mineral resources.
Xolodno
(7,254 posts)I'm going to give them an offer they can't refuse.
mitch96
(15,567 posts)tRump and the arms will flow again.. It's all about the money..follow the money...
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LetMyPeopleVote
(173,334 posts)Link to tweet
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