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muriel_volestrangler

(105,312 posts)
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 09:49 AM Nov 22

US tells Nato if Zelenskyy does not sign peace deal Ukraine will face worse in future

Source: The Guardian

US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.

The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.
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Driscoll, a close friend of the US vice-president, JD Vance, who has only recently been put on the Ukraine portfolio, declined to go into detail about whether the deal on the table matched a 28-point plan that had been published in the press. “Some things matter, some are window dressing – and we most focused on the things that matter,” he said, according to the source.
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Julie Davis, the US chargée d’affaires in Kyiv, was also present at the meeting and told the other diplomats that although the terms of the deal were punishing for Ukraine, it had little choice but to accept or face worse in future. “The deal does not get better from here, it gets worse,” she said.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/22/ukraine-zelenskyy-peace-deal-us-nato-meeting



This is just Trump being Putin's enforcer. Telling your ally "we're going to make things worse and worse for you" shows you're not actually an ally, you're an enemy.
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US tells Nato if Zelenskyy does not sign peace deal Ukraine will face worse in future (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Nov 22 OP
It is not a peace deal. Botany Nov 22 #1
Agree. plus i feel Zelenskyy will be bluestarone Nov 22 #2
I agree. The other two should be found dead. OLDMDDEM Nov 22 #7
I agree. Rewarding the aggressor and threatening the dignity and sovereignty of Ukraine is no peace deal Deuxcents Nov 22 #4
Exactly! yellow dahlia Nov 22 #23
Trump is forcing Ukraine to live under Putin or die. Irish_Dem Nov 22 #3
What a choice. yellow dahlia Nov 22 #24
No choice really is it. Irish_Dem Sunday #27
Live Free or Die - The motto for the State of NH. yellow dahlia Sunday #28
Yes it has new meaning today. Irish_Dem Sunday #29
Exactly. And people are dying. yellow dahlia Sunday #30
Unfortunately, Europe needs to remilitarize ASAP NickB79 Nov 22 #5
What is the point of NATO then? BeyondGeography Nov 22 #6
NATO needs to tell Trump to fuck off VMA131Marine Nov 22 #8
The US is out of NATO, for all practical purposes... William Seger Nov 22 #14
Or, to be precise: Putin, through Trump administration proxies, tells NATO... Mister Ed Nov 22 #9
Any American who supports this spits in the face of every veteran who served in Korea, Vietnam, West Berlin, etc ChicagoTeamster Nov 22 #10
They only have to stay strong for three years. And Europe will be behind them. Baitball Blogger Nov 22 #11
Slava Ukraini Marthe48 Nov 22 #12
Nice country you got there Marthe48 Nov 22 #13
The beatings will continue until morale improves IbogaProject Nov 22 #15
Not much could be worse than the deal Trump wants to shove down Ukraine's throat. Martin68 Nov 22 #16
Peace deal? No. Shakedown. Beartracks Nov 22 #17
Driscoll, as is glaringly obvious, has no diplomatic experience whatsoever. Emrys Nov 22 #18
These people suck! yellow dahlia Nov 22 #25
Got to survive lame duck donald the Russian dotard. bronxiteforever Nov 22 #19
Sam Kiley of the Independent has an interesting perspective on the "peace" plan Momma Nov 22 #20
Insert raspy voice: Xolodno Nov 22 #21
And when the US military industrial complex see how much MONEY they are gonna loose, they will pay off mitch96 Nov 22 #22
This is a pure Russian/putin wishlist LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #26

bluestarone

(20,902 posts)
2. Agree. plus i feel Zelenskyy will be
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 09:56 AM
Nov 22

found dead shortly after signing this piece of shit deal.

Deuxcents

(25,023 posts)
4. I agree. Rewarding the aggressor and threatening the dignity and sovereignty of Ukraine is no peace deal
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 10:05 AM
Nov 22

NATO must know that Putin will be back for more. Ukraine deserves better negotiators 🇺🇦

Irish_Dem

(78,380 posts)
27. No choice really is it.
Sun Nov 23, 2025, 07:58 AM
Sunday

They die either way.

I will thinking of the saying here in the US, "live free or die."

yellow dahlia

(4,076 posts)
28. Live Free or Die - The motto for the State of NH.
Sun Nov 23, 2025, 12:34 PM
Sunday

I used to live there.

It is intended as libertarian/right wing motto. But maybe the world should re-work it for today.

NickB79

(20,194 posts)
5. Unfortunately, Europe needs to remilitarize ASAP
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 10:10 AM
Nov 22

Because Ukraine won't be the end of Russia's westward push, and the US can no longer be counted on to provide support.

BeyondGeography

(40,757 posts)
6. What is the point of NATO then?
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 10:31 AM
Nov 22

Or maybe that IS the point. Ditching democratic Europe is high on MAGA’s dream list.

William Seger

(12,090 posts)
14. The US is out of NATO, for all practical purposes...
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 11:39 AM
Nov 22

... and #rump has forfeited any claim of being the "leader of the free world." He doesn't give a shit about the future of Western democracy, but Europe knows why Putin must be stopped, so I'm confident they will not abandon Ukraine. The one and only thing #rump cares about in this war is getting that Nobel Peace Prize, because his ridiculously fragile ego simply cannot stand the fact that Obama got one. I think he knows he's running out of time to broker a "deal" before Russia's invasion collapses.

ChicagoTeamster

(266 posts)
10. Any American who supports this spits in the face of every veteran who served in Korea, Vietnam, West Berlin, etc
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 11:21 AM
Nov 22

And after Trump's disastrous betrayal of the Kurds in Syria and negotiating the withdrawal from Afghanistan with the Russians and the Taliban and not the Afghans and our IFOR (NATO) allies so Russia could just come rolling back in and make America look untrustworthy on the World stage (Putin's agenda), this just proves Trump is negotiating on Putin's behalf. Not America's.

IbogaProject

(5,475 posts)
15. The beatings will continue until morale improves
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 11:40 AM
Nov 22

A deal will require both to give some but not this which is mostly a surrender.

Emrys

(8,816 posts)
18. Driscoll, as is glaringly obvious, has no diplomatic experience whatsoever.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 01:48 PM
Nov 22

As a further example of his simplistic thinking beyond the "it must be done sooner rather than later" bullshit, he's also explained away the lack of involvement of crucial international partners who have skin in the game - certainly more that the US has - in the following terms:



International affairs don't work like that and never have. If Driscoll knew anything about them at all and had any self-respect, he'd be too embarrassed to take the line he's been ordered to in front of a distracted bunch of young kids, let alone adults and seasoned negotiators with their countries' welfare on the line and the eyes of the world gazing worriedly on them.

I could rant at length at the moment, but I'm contracting that out to Michael Weiss, who's summing things up on Twitter, far better than I could:

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

"The more cooks in the kitchen." Right. When you strip away the sheer nonsense of this plan, and get beyond the panic now gripping Europe and D.C., you realize what is being demanded by people with no background in diplomacy and no relationships with Western partners is this: Settling a 10 year war, re-litigating 30+ years of security architecture in Europe, deciding the permanent composition NATO, deciding how the EU will use and spend other people's frozen money -- with no Congressional oversight, no NATO consensus, and no official Russian buy-in on any of the foregoing. All done and dusted before the tryptophan kicks in on Thursday. Easy-peasy. https://politico.eu/article/ukraine-allies-rush-counter-trumps-non-starter-peace-plan/



Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

You don't get to say Europe should take on more responsibility for its own defense and security, only to see it do so, and then dictate the terms of Europe's defense and security without European consent. The sooner people realize the absence of American agency here, the more they'll see what a stupid bluff this all is.



Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

It also helps to realize that what many see as a well-laid and carefully orchestrated conspiracy is more like a Leroy Jenkins-style end-run by a gaggle of idiots in way over their heads, who think dealing with elected officials, militaries and bureaucracies on the continent is the same as taking bribes from emirs in the Gulf.

bronxiteforever

(10,996 posts)
19. Got to survive lame duck donald the Russian dotard.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 02:14 PM
Nov 22

And the caving cowards of Vance and Rubio. Capitulation of Ukraine will be another wound for the GOP in the midterms.

Momma

(17 posts)
20. Sam Kiley of the Independent has an interesting perspective on the "peace" plan
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 03:37 PM
Nov 22
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/only-one-thing-europe-ukraine-123514423.html

Trump’s 28-point plan for “peace” in Ukraine was cooked up between Steve Witkoff, his envoy to the Middle East, and Moscow. Witkoff is witless. He uses his personal cell phone on trips to Moscow and Tel Aviv, where its contents are doubtless plundered in real time.

His pro-Russian plan for Ukraine was agreed with Kirill Alexandrovich Dmitriev, a Russian businessman and CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, which has at least $10bn of Russian government funds to “co-invest” in the Russian economy. Dmitriev has been sanctioned by the US Treasury – doing business with him is illegal for an American, but Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, was also there.

And the new bit of this old Russian set of demands is that American companies get 50 per cent of the profits from a $100bn reconstruction fund for Ukraine, using frozen Kremlin assets.

That’s on top of the extortionate minerals deal that Zelensky signed with the Trump administration, which promises American control of 50 per cent of the profits from Ukraine’s as-yet-untapped mineral resources.

mitch96

(15,567 posts)
22. And when the US military industrial complex see how much MONEY they are gonna loose, they will pay off
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 06:10 PM
Nov 22

tRump and the arms will flow again.. It's all about the money..follow the money...
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