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WSHazel

(622 posts) Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:33 PM Tuesday

Ukraine agrees to peace proposal, with only "minor details" to settle, official says, but no word from Russia

Source: CBS News

A U.S. official told CBS News on Tuesday that Ukraine's government had "agreed to a peace deal" brokered by the Trump administration to stop Russia's nearly four-year assault. The American official and Ukraine's national security adviser Rustem Umerov said a common understanding on a proposal had been reached, with details still to be worked out.

Umerov voiced optimism that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy could travel to the U.S. before the end of November to finalize an agreement. CBS News was first to report on Sunday that U.S. and Ukrainian officials had previously discussed a potential visit to the U.S. this week by Zelenskyy.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-peace-deal-trump-driscoll-abu-dhabi-talks-latest/

There is a better than 50% chance that this never happens, but it is a smart move by Zelenskyy. Russia's military is exhausted, and Trump desperately needs a "win" somewhere, anywhere, so Zelenskyy has leverage. The Russian occupied parts of Ukraine are a wasteland, and anyone who is able will leave. Most importantly, Zelenskyy gets the equivalent of NATO membership while pretending not to be in NATO. The killing will stop, and with peace, Ukraine will get stronger, and Russia will continue to get weaker. Ukraine can go back for the lost territories when Putin dies.

If Russia embarrasses Trump and walks away, then Zelenskyy and the Europeans tried, and Trump will keep up the pressure on Putin.

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Ukraine agrees to peace proposal, with only "minor details" to settle, official says, but no word from Russia (Original Post) WSHazel Tuesday OP

What pressure is Krasnov putting on Putin? gab13by13 Tuesday #1

The oil embargo WSHazel Tuesday #2

Wash, rinse, repeat quaint Tuesday #3

Believe it when bluestarone Tuesday #4

Maybe they leaked their own preferred whole plan, as Russia did a few days ago. mahina Tuesday #5

"agrees" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Emrys Tuesday #6

I smell a whole pile of something coming from this story. Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #7

Isn't CBS run by a far right wing Trumper now? Bari Weiss. Botany Tuesday #8

Connie is still above ground BTW jlcfandwn Wednesday #16

Thanx Botany Wednesday #17

Which "Peace Plan"? maxsolomon Tuesday #9

Yeah, why is this a secret? Diraven Wednesday #15

The Russians are always touchy about details of their agreements being released while negotiations are ongoing Emrys Wednesday #19

But "everyone" keeps saying Russia wrote the deal, so they would have approved? Silent Type Tuesday #10

Ukraine dismissed a lot of it WSHazel Tuesday #11

I don't see Russia agreeing to Ukraine's plan Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #12

Still, nope Bayard Tuesday #13

Putin can't be trusted to abide by any plan. mdbl Tuesday #14

This headline, and story, it's fiction.... The so-called deal was just surrender. ashredux Wednesday #18

Ukraine made significant changes WSHazel Wednesday #20

"Russia rejects major concessions on Ukraine as leaked call shows Witkoff advising Moscow" DJ Synikus Makisimus Wednesday #21

gab13by13

(30,799 posts)

1. What pressure is Krasnov putting on Putin?

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:40 PM

Tuesday

The US isn’t giving shit to Ukraine, if it did that would be pressure.

WSHazel

(622 posts)

2. The oil embargo

Reply to gab13by13 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:48 PM

Tuesday

Putin desperately needs peace. He needs the oil embargo lifted and he needs Europe to buy more Russian natural gas.

To be clear, Trump is not a hero in this, but his desperation is useful to Ukraine right now.

quaint

(4,462 posts)

3. Wash, rinse, repeat

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:48 PM

Tuesday

"common understanding on a proposal had been reached, with details still to be worked out"

bluestarone

(20,898 posts)

4. Believe it when

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:50 PM

Tuesday

I SEE IT!

mahina

(20,206 posts)

5. Maybe they leaked their own preferred whole plan, as Russia did a few days ago.

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:53 PM

Tuesday

Emrys

(8,816 posts)

6. "agrees" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:03 PM

Tuesday

Many a slip between cup and lip, as they say, and also don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

Still, I guess it throws the ball into Russia's court if it's presented as a fait accompli.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,952 posts)

7. I smell a whole pile of something coming from this story.

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:19 PM

Tuesday

Botany

(76,009 posts)

8. Isn't CBS run by a far right wing Trumper now? Bari Weiss.

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:43 PM

Tuesday

Ed Murrow, Cronkite, Connie Chung, Mike Wallace, and so on must be rolling in their graves if they dead.

This crap is straight out of Pravada. These are not minor details to be worked out later but it is asking
Ukraine to surrender to Putin/Russia and reward them for their savage war on the people and lands
of Ukraine. How many Ukrainian children has Russia kidnapped?

IT IS NOT A PEACE PLAN.

jlcfandwn

(7 posts)

16. Connie is still above ground BTW

Reply to Botany (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 05:24 AM

Wednesday

She’s still kicking

Botany

(76,009 posts)

17. Thanx

Reply to jlcfandwn (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:47 AM

Wednesday

N/t. I knew that but Botany =

maxsolomon

(37,944 posts)

9. Which "Peace Plan"?

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 06:49 PM

Tuesday

The one Russia wrote, or the one the Europeans revised? Russia rejected the edits.

Diraven

(1,760 posts)

15. Yeah, why is this a secret?

Reply to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 12:17 AM

Wednesday

How is this even news when there are zero details on what they agreed to. I think they're trying to push the implication that Ukraine agreed to the one authored by Russia, so they can accuse Zelenskyy of reneging on the deal later.

Emrys

(8,816 posts)

19. The Russians are always touchy about details of their agreements being released while negotiations are ongoing

Reply to Diraven (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:22 AM

Wednesday

I believe there are at least three versions of the revised "deals" going around, no idea which is the one the Russians will probably finally reject. The noises they've made so far are predictably not promising despite the US administration's hype.

Even if there's ever an agreement in principle, NATO, the EU and Ukraine's parliament will have to give their formal approval anyway (I guess Trump will have to involve Congress as well if he's not having a 100% autocratic despot day) before anything's signed and as binding as these things will ever be.

Silent Type

(12,194 posts)

10. But "everyone" keeps saying Russia wrote the deal, so they would have approved?

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:23 PM

Tuesday

WSHazel

(622 posts)

11. Ukraine dismissed a lot of it

Reply to Silent Type (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:31 PM

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Ukraine dismissed the most reprehensible conditions. The stuff left is reasonable.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,688 posts)

12. I don't see Russia agreeing to Ukraine's plan

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:36 PM

Tuesday

So the war will continue, and hopefully the anti-Russia republicans can join with the Dems to pass more aid for Ukraine.

Bayard

(28,025 posts)

13. Still, nope

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:00 PM

Tuesday

I don't see anything in the article about Russia getting off all of Ukraine's turf, or any punishment for their actions.

mdbl

(7,902 posts)

14. Putin can't be trusted to abide by any plan.

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:34 PM

Tuesday

It's a fools errand.

ashredux

(2,823 posts)

18. This headline, and story, it's fiction.... The so-called deal was just surrender.

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 07:55 AM

Wednesday

Good Lord folks, Putin wrote the damn thing and gave it to us.

WSHazel

(622 posts)

20. Ukraine made significant changes

Reply to ashredux (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:21 AM

Wednesday

Putin may decline the changes, and then the war continues, but Ukraine's counter offer, which the American negotiators apparently endorse, is a reasonable compromise to stop the killing and is not a surrender.

DJ Synikus Makisimus

(1,163 posts)

21. "Russia rejects major concessions on Ukraine as leaked call shows Witkoff advising Moscow"

Reply to WSHazel (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2025, 02:39 PM

Wednesday

It seems there has been a response from Moscow:
Jerusalem Post
https://www.jpost.com/international/internationalrussia-ukraine-war/article-876329

"Russia will make no big concessions on a peace plan for Ukraine, a senior Russian diplomat said on Wednesday, after a leaked recording of a call involving US envoy Steve Witkoff showed he had advised Moscow on how to pitch to Donald Trump.

Witkoff is expected to travel to Moscow next week with other senior US officials for talks with Russian leaders about a possible plan to end the nearly four-year-old war in Ukraine, the deadliest in Europe since World War Two."

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