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muriel_volestrangler

(105,300 posts)
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 12:45 PM Friday

Thirteen killed in deadliest Israeli raid for months in southern Syria

Source: BBC

At least 13 people have been killed in an Israeli raid on a village in southern Syria overnight, state media reported, in one of the deadliest incidents of its kind for months. It said children were among the dead.

Sana news agency said residents of Beit Jinn "confronted" Israeli troops, leading to a firefight. Air strikes were also carried out. Syria's foreign ministry condemned what it called a "war crime" by Israel.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said troops went into the village, on the edge of the occupied Golan Heights, to detain militants who it said "advanced terror attacks against Israeli civilians".
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Sana said the village was also shelled. Footage released by the IDF shows two air strikes - one apparently on a group of people, and the other on a building. In bodycam footage also released by the IDF, soldiers can be seen firing on a street in the dark with the sound of automatic gunfire in the distance.

Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp89k31krz4o



If anyone can find any reports of the "terrorist attacks" that were supposedly launched from a Syrian village against Israeli civilians, that would be helpful. I'm coming up blank.

Israel says it will not allow the Syrian army to operate in certain areas of southern Syria. That is, in effect, a military occupation.
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lapucelle

(20,919 posts)
1. This story?
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:15 PM
Friday
Syrians say 13 killed by Israel after clash with IDF left six soldiers wounded

Israel said six IDF reservists were wounded in clashes with local armed groups in the southern Syrian village of Beit Jinn on Friday, as Syrian authorities reported at least 13 people killed in Israeli attacks. The incident left three soldiers seriously wounded, the army said, including two officers.

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According to the IDF, a force from the 55th Paratroopers Brigade arrested two wanted individuals, who are also brothers, affiliated with the Al-Jama'a al-Islamiyya group. The group is allied with the pro-Iranian Hezbollah militia in Lebanon and the Palestinian militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

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As the IDF was withdrawing from Beit Jinn, an exchange of fire broke out, prompting the dispatch of Israel Air Force fighter jets and drones, which struck several locations where the gunmen were believed to be entrenched. The statement added that the gunmen attacked an IDF Humvee, which was later struck by the military.

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According to the reports, several shooting incidents involving gunmen from local militias were documented. The army said that in recent weeks, dozens of wanted individuals have been arrested in the area.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-11-28/ty-article/idf-six-soldiers-wounded-in-southern-syria-including-three-in-a-serious-condition/0000019a-c92f-d824-ad9e-eb7fabeb0000

moniss

(8,498 posts)
3. The problem with all of this kind of reporting is that
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:57 PM
Friday

it is all "the IDF says" and there is no really independent reporting going on in southern Syria. The occupation of southern Syria is another failure by the UN and the international community, mainly the US, to reign in the activities of the IDF/rabid right wing government in Israel. Independent journalists have been historically heavily restricted, harassed, targeted and killed by the IDF. That didn't come without orders despite any denials from the government.

It is particularly galling since if Israeli journalists reporting from conflict areas in Africa, Myanmar etc. were treated similarly the howling, retaliation and demands coming from Jerusalem would be off the charts. It is this kind of duplicity that other nations and people around the world find so obviously self-serving, hypocritical and deserving of condemnation.

lapucelle

(20,919 posts)
4. The BBC story is nothing but "Syrian state media says..."
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:31 PM
Friday

There is no independent reporting in the BBC "story". It's stenography that comes straight from SANO (Syrian Arab News Agency).


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/syrian-arab-news-agency-sana-bias-and-credibility/

muriel_volestrangler

(105,300 posts)
5. Well, no.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 06:30 PM
Friday

The parts of the BBC article that don't come from SANA or the Syrian government are:

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said troops went into the village, on the edge of the occupied Golan Heights, to detain militants who it said "advanced terror attacks against Israeli civilians".

Six Israeli soldiers were injured in the clashes, three seriously, it said.

The IDF said it targeted the Jamaa Islamiya militant group in Friday's operation. It said that when the raid began, "several armed terrorists opened fire" on its soldiers, who fired back.
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The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a UK-based monitoring group, said a building collapsed during the operation.

The IDF later said "all of the suspects were apprehended, and a number of terrorists were eliminated".
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Israel regularly carries out incursions into Syrian villages, saying it acts to prevent the presence of armed groups.

Since the fall of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad nearly a year ago, Israel has moved its forces across a buffer zone on the Golan Heights into southern Syria, where a number of anti-Israel groups and cells operate.

Israel says it will not allow the Syrian army, which it considers a threat, to deploy there.

The buffer zone - a demilitarised stretch of land - had been a no-go area designed to keep the peace after a ceasefire ended the 1973 war between Israel and Syria. The UN has said the IDF's deployment there was a "violation" of the agreement which it said both sides should uphold.

The US has for months been mediating talks between Israel and Syria for a security agreement in the area between the two sides, but without success.

So, from the Haaretz article, we see that the purpose of the IDF invading Syria was to arrest " two wanted individuals, who are also brothers, affiliated with the Al-Jama'a al-Islamiyya group". We don't hear anything about a "terrorist attack".

The Times of Israel says the pair were " planning attacks on Israel", and "had previously launched rockets at Israel". But I can't find a report of this previous rocket attack which the IDF says was "against Israeli civilians". It does not seem to have been serious enough to report in English-language media.

According to Wikipedia, Israel claims that, since the fall of Assad, 3 non-combatant Israelis have been injured from attack from Syria, 9 soldiers, and 1 soldier killed. Meanwhile, the IDF has killed about 40 civilian Syrians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_invasion_of_Syria_%282024%E2%80%93present%29

lapucelle

(20,919 posts)
6. It was an arrest operation up until "unknown assailants" opened fire on Israeli soldiers.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 09:16 PM
Friday
Six soldiers hurt in gun battle as IDF detains terror suspects in southern Syria

Six Israeli soldiers were wounded, including three seriously, after coming under fire by gunmen during an arrest operation in southern Syria early Friday morning, the military said.

According to the Israel Defense Forces, shortly before 3 a.m., soldiers of the 55th Reserve Paratroopers Brigade set out to the Syrian village of Beit Jinn — located some seven kilometers (4.3 miles) east of Israel’s border — to detain two members of the al-Jama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group) terror organization, acting on intelligence information collected in recent weeks indicating that they were planning attacks on Israel.

The pair are brothers, with one considered by the IDF to be the “main” suspect. The military said that the pair had previously launched rockets at Israel. Israeli troops arrested the two brothers while they were in their beds at home. As troops began leaving with the two suspects, they came under fire from unknown assailants, according to the IDF.

According to Syrian media, at least 13 people were killed by the Israeli strikes. The military said that it had killed several gunmen in the fighting, without specifying a number. The gunfire mostly targeted an army Humvee, which got stuck. The troops inside were forced to abandon the vehicle inside Beit Jinn. Later, the IDF bombed the Humvee from the air to remove the risk of it being captured.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/six-soldiers-hurt-in-gun-battle-as-idf-detains-terror-suspects-in-southern-syria/

muriel_volestrangler

(105,300 posts)
8. No, that's not an "arrest operation" - it's an armed invasion of another country
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:39 AM
Yesterday

That's why

The UN has said the IDF's deployment there was a "violation" of the agreement which it said both sides should uphold.

This was the IDF deciding to go where they're not allowed, forcibly abduct people, and kill anyone who tried to stop them - or happened to be in a building they shelled.

lapucelle

(20,919 posts)
7. "The missile attack launched from Syria into Israel does not seem to have been serious
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 09:36 PM
Friday

enough to report in English-language media."

Unless, of course, the English language media is Reuters, AP, The Guardian, or the BBC.

Israel strikes Syria after projectiles fired, holds Sharaa responsible

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-two-projectiles-crossed-syria-towards-israel-2025-06-03/

Israel says rockets fired from Syria for the first time since Bashar Assad’s fall

https://apnews.com/article/syria-israel-rockets-golan-f659db3186e7941cde2f79fa49c474e3

Israel attacks Syrian targets after projectiles launched toward its territory

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/04/israel-attacks-syrian-targets-after-projectiles-launched-toward-its-territory

Israel strikes weapons in southern Syria after projectiles fired into Golan

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxyr4lvd01o

muriel_volestrangler

(105,300 posts)
9. So back in June, 2 rockets were launched, after the IDF killed a Syrian civilian
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:49 AM
Yesterday

and the rockets do not seem to have hurt anyone. Then the IDF launched multiple attacks on Syria in June, and have now invaded Syria, killing 13 people including women and children. Because we take their word for it that a couple of guys in the village launched the rockets back in June. Got it.

lapucelle

(20,919 posts)
10. You said you couldn't find any reports of a terrorist attack "supposedly launched"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:43 AM
Yesterday

from Syria into Israel. You were "coming up blank". Reports in the Israeli press were provided to you.

Next, you claimed that because the attack wasn't covered in "English language media", it couldn't have been "that bad". "English language" reports from major press agencies were provided to you. Those reports include the name of the terrorist group that claimed responsibility.

Now the tact appears to be that, because the terrorist missile attack didn't kill anyone, there was no need to apprehend those suspected to be responsible. After all, the terrorist cell is only "a couple of guys in a village". And besides, why take "their" word for it when we already have the *reliable* Syrian state media version of the events source-washed through the prism of the BBC?

Sorry this didn't go quite as you had hoped. It has, however, been fun to watch the steady and predictable march of the goal posts all the way off the field and into the parking lot.





muriel_volestrangler

(105,300 posts)
11. In the OP, I said it would be helpful if anyone could find the reports of the claimed attacks on Israeli civliians
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:54 AM
Yesterday

At first, no one came up with anything - they just gave the Israeli press stories on the killing of the 13 Syrians. You later found a June report of rockets aimed at the Golan Heights (at civilians? They don't seems to have injured anyone , so it's hard to know), which came right after Israel killed a civilian in Syria. Perhaps this is what the IDF is using as its excuse for shelling a Syrian village in November - there's no particular indication it is, but it was a rocket attack from Syria in this year.

But not, no goalposts have moved, since the OP asked for what the IDF was talking about, and you now seem confident you know what that was.

Your idea that the BBC quoting both Syrian and Israeli sources for an Israeli attack on Syria is "source-washing" is frankly bonkers.

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