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BumRushDaShow

(164,008 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:11 PM 13 hrs ago

Experts doubt the Pentagon can punish Kelly over the 'illegal orders' video

Source: AP

Updated 8:29 AM EST, November 29, 2025


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon’s investigation of Sen. Mark Kelly over a video that urges American troops to defy “illegal orders” has raised a slew of questions, and some criticism, from legal experts.

Some say the Pentagon is misreading military law to go after Kelly as a retired Navy fighter pilot. Others say the Arizona Democrat cannot be prosecuted as a member of Congress. A group of former military prosecutors insists he did nothing wrong.

The Pentagon announced the investigation last week after President Donald Trump’s social media post accusing Kelly — and the five other Democratic lawmakers in the video — of sedition “punishable by DEATH.” Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Kelly was facing investigation because he is the only one in that group who formally retired from the military and is still under the Pentagon’s jurisdiction.

Kelly dismissed the inquiry as the work of “bullies” and said it would not deter him and other members of Congress “from doing our jobs and holding this administration accountable.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/kelly-video-pentagon-investigation-trump-sedition-military-4a5ed2d4674d7ed735aa9cb330e22099

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MarineCombatEngineer

(17,208 posts)
1. I wonder if Pedonald and Kegsbreath realize just how bad this is backfiring on them
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:18 PM
13 hrs ago

and, another thing to consider, if the panel determines that there is no basis to this "investigation" and Kegsbreath doesn't recall Capt. Kelly back to active duty, will Pedonald fire him?

Maybe Pedonald will nominate Lindsey Halligan for the position of SecDef and have her try to charge him.

TomSlick

(12,826 posts)
2. I am both a former military trial counsel (prosecutor) and appellate defense lawyer.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:26 PM
13 hrs ago

I have no question Captain Kelley did not commit any crime. He didn't say anything in the video that most judge advocates have not taught in law of war classes.

3catwoman3

(28,313 posts)
4. Wouldn't you think/hope that if...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:52 PM
12 hrs ago

...anyone would be conversant with the provisions of the UCMJ it would be those who work at the effin' Pentagon?

TomSlick

(12,826 posts)
5. I have no doubt that the members of the Judge Advocate General's Corps of the various services
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:52 PM
11 hrs ago

are quite aware Captain Kelley committed no crime.

However, recall that one of Trump's first actions upon retaking the White House was to fire all of the services' Judge Advocate Generals. I worry that their replacements were chosen because they were thought more "malleable."

Irish_Dem

(78,355 posts)
8. Trump's goal is not a successful prosecution.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:16 AM
3 hrs ago

His goal is to cost his victims time, money, career damage and embarrassment.

It is legal and psychological warfare.

Not a legitimate legal process.

sheshe2

(95,117 posts)
3. What Woah, poor Pete is gonna be hittin' the sauce hard tonight.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:49 PM
12 hrs ago

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Rockin' to and fro
Back in the Bottle again
Whoopi-ty-aye-yay
I go my way
Back in the Bottle again🎶🎶🎶

Martin68

(26,739 posts)
6. It doesn't take "experts" to know that broadcasting the letter of the law is not "illegal."
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:28 PM
10 hrs ago

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