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BumRushDaShow

(164,023 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 12:52 PM 6 hrs ago

Sen. Tim Kaine says reported second strike on alleged drug boat "rises to the level of a war crime if it's true"

Source: CBS News

November 30, 2025 / 11:44 AM EST / CBS News


Washington — Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia said Sunday that a reported U.S. follow-on strike on an alleged drug boat earlier this year "rises to the level of a war crime if it's true." "If that reporting is true, it's a clear violation of the DoD's own laws of war, as well as international laws about the way you treat people who are in that circumstance," Kaine said on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan."

The Washington Post reported Friday that in the U.S.' first strike on a suspected drug smuggling boat in the Caribbean in September, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a verbal order to leave no survivors. A follow-on strike was ordered to comply with the instructions, killing two survivors in the water, the Post reported. Hegseth called the reporting "fabricated, inflammatory and derogatory," claiming the operations in the Caribbean are "lawful under both U.S. and international law."

CBS News has not independently confirmed the Washington Post's reporting.

Targeting civilians or members of the armed forces who are wounded is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions, which also require the wounded to be "collected and cared for." A group of former military lawyers outlined in an assessment Saturday that the reported second strike would be a violation of international or domestic law. And the leaders of the House and Senate Armed Services committees pledged to investigate the reported follow-on strike.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuela-strike-alleged-drug-boat-hegseth-tim-kaine-face-the-nation/



If that reporting is true, it's a clear violation of the DoD's own laws of war, as well as international laws about the way you treat people who are in that circumstance


But remember - there is no "DOD" anymore. It was "abolished" by Executive Order and replaced with DOW.
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Sen. Tim Kaine says reported second strike on alleged drug boat "rises to the level of a war crime if it's true" (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 6 hrs ago OP
All of these strikes are criminal and shameful. 617Blue 5 hrs ago #1
The Military Code of Justice should apply. thought crime 5 hrs ago #2
Making the "do not follow illegal orders" that much more prescient UpInArms 5 hrs ago #3
They're all war crimes, every strike. Why help to normalize them... AloeVera 5 hrs ago #4
Rapist, pedo, fraudster, felon says "So what?" Sneederbunk 5 hrs ago #5
I am guessing there will soon be an announcement that Tim Kaine will be under investigation. twodogsbarking 5 hrs ago #6
Which is why he should have had the courage to say 'All strikes are war crimes'. House of Roberts 5 hrs ago #7
WTF? Tim Kaine, what are you saying, that the first missile was legal, acceptyable, okay? JFC! KPN 5 hrs ago #8
Hegseth is a war criminal LetMyPeopleVote 5 hrs ago #9
Wrong. It was a "war crime" already. malthaussen 4 hrs ago #10
The very first strike Cirsium 4 hrs ago #11
Oh. My. God! BaronChocula 4 hrs ago #14
Thanks Cirsium 3 hrs ago #15
Thank YOU! BaronChocula 3 hrs ago #16
Nuremberg (2025) currently playing in the theaters is also a must see movie. MuirHero 2 hrs ago #22
Very interested in this too! BaronChocula 13 min ago #24
We are not at war. And these are civilian victims. Irish_Dem 4 hrs ago #12
Exactly. TomSlick 3 hrs ago #18
There is no staute of limitations for war crimes or International humanitarian crimes ToxMarz 4 hrs ago #13
It's a point only a military lawyer would but it cannot be a violation of the law of war, because there is no war. TomSlick 3 hrs ago #17
Yes it is simple and straightforward. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #19
And premeditated 1st degree murder at that. MuirHero 3 hrs ago #20
War criminals. paleotn 3 hrs ago #21
Death by hanging would be an appropriate punishment for premeditated first degree murder. MuirHero 2 hrs ago #23

thought crime

(1,057 posts)
2. The Military Code of Justice should apply.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:02 PM
5 hrs ago

If the report is anywhere close to being true, court-martials should be held against those responsible. This is exactly what Sen. Mark Kelley and others warned about.

AloeVera

(3,929 posts)
4. They're all war crimes, every strike. Why help to normalize them...
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:06 PM
5 hrs ago

By claiming only THIS one rises to the level of a war- crime?

We'd have no trouble labelling them as such if these were our own citizens, right?

House of Roberts

(6,336 posts)
7. Which is why he should have had the courage to say 'All strikes are war crimes'.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:18 PM
5 hrs ago

The idea that he was differentiating them sickens me.

KPN

(17,063 posts)
8. WTF? Tim Kaine, what are you saying, that the first missile was legal, acceptyable, okay? JFC!
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:30 PM
5 hrs ago

No wonder I wasn't enthralled with this guy when Hillary picked him. We need fighters not Boy Scouts. (no offense to Boy Scouts -- I was one myself and thoroughly enjoyed and certainly gained from it -- but then I grew up).

malthaussen

(18,337 posts)
10. Wrong. It was a "war crime" already.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:59 PM
4 hrs ago

Except since there is no "war," one would be justified in simply calling it a "crime."

-- Mal

Cirsium

(3,224 posts)
11. The very first strike
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:09 PM
4 hrs ago

The first strike on an alleged drug boat was a crime.

Ernst Janning:
"Judge Haywood... the reason I asked you to come. Those people, those millions of people... I never knew it would come to that. YOU must believe it, YOU MUST believe it."

Judge Dan Haywood:
"Herr Janning, it 'came to that' the first time you sentenced a man to death you knew to be innocent."

From the film Judgment at Nuremberg

MuirHero

(78 posts)
22. Nuremberg (2025) currently playing in the theaters is also a must see movie.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:57 PM
2 hrs ago

Viewed this film two weeks ago. Russel Crowe's command performance as Hermann Goring should garner an Academy Award nomination. The parallels between what is shown in this film and what is currently happening in this country are chilling.

BaronChocula

(3,865 posts)
24. Very interested in this too!
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:40 PM
13 min ago

Haven't heard anything about it yet so I'm glad to see a good review.

Irish_Dem

(78,380 posts)
12. We are not at war. And these are civilian victims.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:15 PM
4 hrs ago

It is not a war crime. It is first degree murder.

ToxMarz

(2,651 posts)
13. There is no staute of limitations for war crimes or International humanitarian crimes
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:26 PM
4 hrs ago

And international law doesn't care what "cute" nicknames the offenders use.

TomSlick

(12,828 posts)
17. It's a point only a military lawyer would but it cannot be a violation of the law of war, because there is no war.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:22 PM
3 hrs ago

The better term is the law of international armed conflict. To have an international armed conflict, there must be two nations fighting each other. In this case, we just have one nation destroying civilian boats from another.

What we are experiencing is simple murder.

Irish_Dem

(78,380 posts)
19. Yes it is simple and straightforward.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:30 PM
3 hrs ago

I am not a military attorney but even I can see:

THERE IS NO WAR.
THESE ARE CIVILIANS.

It is murder.

It is disturbing that even sitting US senators have their heads up their asses
and calling it a damn war crime. Which gives it legitimacy somehow.

paleotn

(21,287 posts)
21. War criminals.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:49 PM
3 hrs ago

I'd say ship them off to Brussels, but the penalties imposed would be far too lenient for this pack off scum. No, they deserve good, old fashioned American retribution. After all, they long to return to those days of yesteryear. OK. Fine with me.

MuirHero

(78 posts)
23. Death by hanging would be an appropriate punishment for premeditated first degree murder.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:02 PM
2 hrs ago

Anything less than the death penalty or life in prison would be a gross miscarriage of justice if these bastards are found guilty of this alleged crime.

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