He would not appreciate help nor respect you for it.

He wants NATO so he has someone to blame.

He made this mess, don't bail him out.

And by helping him he will go on to a bigger shit show cause he learns nothing.

You CAN say closing the strait is somewhat of a threat to national security to member nations. The again, you can say the threat can simply be eliminated by the aggressor pulling up stakes and GTFO. I wish NATO would tell him where to stick it.

Never mind. Let's just go with that NOW.

FUCK YOU!! and all your RETHUG rapists terrorist, traitors, and NAZI's

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That way, once hostilities have ceased, and don't re-initiate, each side can be sure their shipping is going through and maintain a complete and accurate count and identification for verification that transit through the strait is not being violated.

If Trump wants NATO to supply troops and ships to the Gulf, Rutte should tell him NATO will match Israel 1equivalent ship and 1 pax for every 2 Israeli ships and 2 pax. And, the US must also have ships leading the way in the strait. After all, they started the conflict without consulting NATO. And, Iran has consistently agreed to allow all non-US and non-Israeli ships through the strait.

NATO troops will not join in any ground invasion of Iran.

Also, If Israel or the US start bombing while NATO ships are present, NATO craft will withdraw.

And, Israel has to pay for NATO participation and any rebuilding of Iran, Lebanon, or Gulf state damage that has been inflicted thus far. Based upon initial estimates for each, money must be deposited into one EU controlled fund for the NATO participation, and a UN controlled fund for the rebuilding prior to any commitment from NATO.

And if Israel does not maintain it's agreement for rebuilding funds, or violates any treaty and continues bombing, NATO will immediately withdraw, The EU nations will sanction Israel, and No EU nation will support or fund anything in Israel EVER AGAIN.

Trump didn't negotiate that Iran allow for resuming nuclear inspections and halting enrichment even though Iran's resumed nuclear program (after Trump pulled the US out of the existing nuclear treaty) was supposedly the reason for starting the bombing. And, now Trump supposedly wants to seize Iran's nuclear material after the bombing even though they were negotiating to hand it all over right before the US started bombing. Wouldn't allowing them to give it to us have been easier and less costly than bombing them and then invading to take it?

Also, they were now going to charge ships for transit through the Gulf which they weren't doing before the bombing. That will raise long term business costs for every nation that relied on Gulf shipping. NATO nations were going to be paying that cost as well on top of the cost of their military participation.

The treaty was a lose lose for the US and a win win for Iran.

And, as always, it was deliberately destroyed by Israel.

Also, I know what I proposed was harsh towards the US and Israel, but you always have to expect to ease up on some demands in a negotiation. That's why you start out asking for more than you think you will get on your key demands. I think our former allies and trade partners are aware of this.

And, NATO has nothing to benefit by having NATO troops and ships destroyed in the Gulf, but Russia does. So, to see what Russia's ally Iran will actually be willing to give and take to get NATO ships and troops in the Gulf where they can't respond to further Russian incursion in Europe or Chinese incursion in Taiwan, it's a good starting point. Even if NATO eventually doesn't commit any troops or ships.

Israel doesn't care about Ukraine, Romania, or Taiwan. Why should NATO get committed in the Gulf for Israel who will probably violate any treaty no matter what. So, make Israel pay up front and commit to penalties for violating a treaty. And, NATO should only commit to monitoring and verifying safe shipping transit through the strait and to negotiating a cessation of any new violence that might erupt along with securing the rescue of any personnel on affected shipping along with documenting violations of the treaty and any violations of the law of land warfare for potential referral to the International Criminal Court.

He initially praised Trump when the war started.

If this is the leadership NATO has, don’t expect them to stand up to Trump in any way. It will be up to individual nations to tell Trump to fuck off. I have more confidence in Macron. He’s carving out a separate path.

Newsom is right. These people should get the knee pads.

Rutte has been onboard since the beginning.

I can’t imagine NATO members wanting to send their troops.