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BumRushDaShow

(171,016 posts)
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 01:19 PM 11 hrs ago

Pete Hegseth's ouster of Army's top chaplain leaves 'enormous gap'

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Source: USA Today

Updated April 25, 2026, 8:20 a.m. ET


Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth is putting his stamp on religion and its role in the military. He tossed out the Army's spiritual fitness guide in December, lamenting its lack of explicit references to God in favor of broader spirituality. He's held Christian prayer services at the Pentagon with controversial pastors and framed elements of the war in Iran in biblical terms.

He announced in March that the Pentagon would reduce the number of recognized religious affiliation codes, which are used in part to connect service members with necessary faith resources, and that military chaplains would no longer display, but still retain, their rank insignia. The shakeups continued in April.

On the same day Hegseth asked Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George to step down and immediately retire, two other high-ranking officials were ousted, including Maj. Gen. William Green Jr., the Army’s chief of chaplains. The removal of the Army's top chaplain was "extraordinarily odd," one expert said, and a former high-ranking chaplain said Green's removal leaves an "enormous gap" for the Army.

Any gaps between chiefs of chaplains in the past have usually been the result of a pre-planned retirement, said Ronit Stahl, a University of California, Berkeley professor and author of the book "Enlisting Faith: How the Military Chaplaincy Shaped Religion and State in Modern America." The position has a four-year term and often spans presidential administrations. Green began the position under former President Joe Biden’s administration in December 2023.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/04/25/pete-hegseth-army-chaplain-william-green/89483759007/

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niyad

(133,350 posts)
1. Religion HAS NO ROLE in a secular military!!!
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 01:23 PM
11 hrs ago

AZJonnie

(3,854 posts)
4. I agree, of course. But I've recently come to a big realization about religion's role WRT warfare
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 01:38 PM
11 hrs ago

For a long time I've thought religion was essentially a tool to retain social order without having to spend as much money on police and guards and such. If you convince everyone in your kingdom that basically there's a cop watching you every second of every day, so you better behave, otherwise you'll burn in hell for eternity? That's a means to save a LOT of treasure you'd have otherwise needed to spend for security forces to keep order. So that's always been pretty obvious to me.

More recently (I'm kinda embarrassed to say) it finally dawned on me what powerful tool the "eternal life" storyline is when it comes to motivating the citizenry to go to WAR (esp. in an offensive war, as opposed to defensive) for you, as a king or whatnot. If you convince them that their life on earth is just temporary anyway, and you never "really die", then it's much less scary to face the enemy and the possibility of death on the battlefield.

Add in the common storyline that says the King is a divine extension of Gawd, and that therefore He "favors" everyone on the King's side, and the battle is "Holy" and therefore everyone who dies in the "cause" is "heaven bound" and all that rot? This creates ideal conditions to get people to risk being hacked to death, trampled by horses, and run through by arrows, right? Get on out there and fight, you've got nothing to LOSE cause you'll go to heaven when you die!

That's one of those fairly obvious things I can't believe I never really thought about before I was pushing 60 lol.

BumRushDaShow

(171,016 posts)
6. Humans really have no predators but themselves
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 02:06 PM
11 hrs ago

So in order to survive in a "group" setting (with "safety in numbers" ), some type of "moral" code of behavior began to evolve through the designation of some "higher authority". That could be a "God" or "Goddess" (or many of them) and/or some group of "elders", who would take on that role.

The monarchs and priests evolved to be "stand-ins", by having some purported "direct connection" with or serving as a conduit to that authority.

AZJonnie

(3,854 posts)
8. Small disagreement, because other than the supernatural aspect, these ideas predate humans in the evolutionary sense
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 02:27 PM
10 hrs ago

Wolves, lions, and pretty much all primates have "societies" set up, with alphas and betas, and individuals with societal roles, etc. Ants and bees are another example. The bedrocks involved here are all inherited, not newly evolved.

Once animals developed enough intelligence to conceive of a process by which there might be "eternal life for individuals" (which, of course, didn't happen until ourselves), we began doing so by imagining a mechanism by which it could happen. Every one of our animal ancestors must've had a strong desire to survive, else none of us would be here. I think "Heaven" is a natural extension of our innate, powerful instinct to "survive", and "God" is an extension of our instinct to designate "alphas" in our community.

Also, this "no natural predators" thing is a pretty recent development. People were getting killed and eaten by bears and lions and tigers and wolves and sharks and piranhas and even anacondas and pythons not THAT long ago

BumRushDaShow

(171,016 posts)
9. No disagreement
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 02:51 PM
10 hrs ago

It's the "hierarchy" that evolved further as we moved to become Homo sapiens sapiens.

And although we had certain critters that could subdue us, the evolution of tools helped in that regard. I.e., we are pretty much at the top of the food chain by becoming both hunters and gatherers.

3catwoman3

(29,624 posts)
2. Chaplains will no longer be allowed to wear their rank insignia?
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 01:24 PM
11 hrs ago

What the hell is that about?

Everyone in the military is addressed by rank.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,704 posts)
5. I think we mostly called the chaplain "Padre", ignoring the captain bars.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 02:02 PM
11 hrs ago

Also, we dealt with investigators from Army C.I.D. They didn't usually wear rank insignia, and we called them "Mister" (never saw a female investigator, dunno if they existed in the mid '60's)

So, not all were addressed by rank.

3catwoman3

(29,624 posts)
7. I was in the Air Force nurse corps.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 02:08 PM
10 hrs ago

All the nurses and med techs were addressed by rank.

COL Mustard

(8,322 posts)
10. Holy Crap! I completely missed that part of the story!
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 03:09 PM
9 hrs ago

I haven't seen many Chaplains since this happened., but I'll darn sure be looking now.

Traditionally Chaplains are addressed as "Chaplain", no matter their rank, but in correspondence it's Chaplain (Major) Smith, or Chaplain (Lieutenant Colonel) Jones, for example.

I think it's probably not a good time to be a Muslim or Buddhist chaplain in the military, or for that matter to be Muslim or Buddhist serving in the military in any capacity.

pfitz59

(12,830 posts)
3. Perhaps this explains Green's firing
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 01:34 PM
11 hrs ago

Wrong 'tone', skin tone...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Green_Jr._(chaplain)

Omaha Steve

(109,589 posts)
11. AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 06:08 PM
6 hrs ago

This is analysis.

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