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BumRushDaShow

(171,450 posts)
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:14 PM 18 hrs ago

Amid national scrutiny, LA takes step toward noncitizen voting

Source: USA Today

Updated May 2, 2026, 11:49 a.m. ET


A Los Angeles official is looking to open up a pathway for noncitizens to vote in local elections. It’s an effort that — if it goes forward — would play out amid continued scrutiny over elections and voting security in the United States. Los Angeles City Councilmember Hugo Soto-Martínez presented a motion on April 29 to begin the process of placing a measure on the November ballot.

The measure in and of itself wouldn’t immediately grant noncitizen voting if approved by Los Angelenos — city officials would still need to adopt an ordinance to establish how noncitizen voting would work, according to the councilmember’s office.

“For me, this is a simple issue of fairness,” Soto-Martínez said. “After my parents immigrated here from Mexico, they worked hard, paid taxes, raised their kids in our public schools, but for decades, they had no voice in the decisions shaping their community until they became citizens.”

While Los Angeles doesn’t have the authority to “fully halt” federal immigration enforcement under the Trump administration, it can “enfranchise and empower its immigrant population to participate” in city and Los Angeles Unified School District Board Member elections by reforming the city’s charter, according to the motion.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/california/2026/05/02/los-angeles-voting-rights-for-noncitizens/89881705007/

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Amid national scrutiny, LA takes step toward noncitizen voting (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 18 hrs ago OP
Good for them!! Let the people who support your local economies have a say in local matters!! pat_k 18 hrs ago #1
So let's allow tourists to vote also. They support the economy also JI7 18 hrs ago #5
Reductio ad Absurdum pat_k 16 hrs ago #11
And it doesn't even get into how easy it would be to exploit JI7 16 hrs ago #12
"it doesn't"? "it would"? "exploit"? To what "it"s do you refer? pat_k 15 hrs ago #15
Weird popsdenver 14 hrs ago #19
A number of countries allow non citizen voting Gymbo 2 hrs ago #24
Great! Creating a real issue for Republicans to club us with! Grins 18 hrs ago #2
its about basic fairness, not everything has to be about the fear of what pukes might do in response Blues Heron 18 hrs ago #3
Maybe he should focus on getting people who already can vote to actually vote JI7 18 hrs ago #4
people should have a voice where they live. Dont let fear turn our morals to shit Blues Heron 17 hrs ago #6
They can try to become citizens and then vote JI7 17 hrs ago #7
that could take years or decades, dont kid yourself Blues Heron 17 hrs ago #8
So what ? JI7 17 hrs ago #9
were going in circles here. Blues Heron 17 hrs ago #10
These are choices that people make. And as I said before JI7 16 hrs ago #13
I really go facepalm at these stories jfz9580m 7 hrs ago #23
First thing to do is to think like Trump and his ilk on how to exploit this then discuss if it's viable. chowder66 16 hrs ago #14
Yes, they already do things like this when running for office JI7 15 hrs ago #16
Too extreme for my tastes Polybius 15 hrs ago #17
Can o' worms nt GenThePerservering 15 hrs ago #18
This deserves serious consideration. But not now. This is the kind of thing the right wing press will go crazy with and Fil1957 14 hrs ago #20
The right to vote is fundamental to being a citizen. Intractable 12 hrs ago #21
Colorado allows some non citizens soldierant 11 hrs ago #22
We will know where ever one of trumps republianmushroom 1 hr ago #25

pat_k

(13,728 posts)
1. Good for them!! Let the people who support your local economies have a say in local matters!!
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:31 PM
18 hrs ago

pat_k

(13,728 posts)
11. Reductio ad Absurdum
Sat May 2, 2026, 08:03 PM
16 hrs ago

Tourists don't pay income, employee, or other business taxes.

Tourists don't send their kids to local schools for extended periods of time. If they do, they are not tourists.

Tourists don't have meaningful business interests affected by local ordinances.

popsdenver

(2,510 posts)
19. Weird
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:01 PM
14 hrs ago

what other country allows non citizens to vote in their elections???????????????????????????????????

Do we?

And what other country gives non citizens food, health care, and housing assistance????????

Just asking, I truly don't understand...........

Anyone??????

Gymbo

(182 posts)
24. A number of countries allow non citizen voting
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:45 AM
2 hrs ago

The article doesn't address food, health care, or housing.

Which countries let non-citizens vote in polls?
While most countries restrict voting rights to citizens, there are a few that allow non-citizens to vote under certain conditions. Here are some examples of countries that permit non-citizens to vote:

1. New Zealand

• Eligibility: Non-citizens, specifically permanent residents, who have lived in New Zealand for at least one year can vote in local elections. This does not extend to national elections, which are limited to citizens.

• Local Elections: Non-citizens who meet the residency requirement can vote in local government elections, such as those for city councils or regional authorities.

2. Sweden

• Eligibility: Non-citizens from European Union (EU) countries who have been residents in Sweden for at least three years can vote in local and regional elections. Similarly, non-EU citizens who have been living in Sweden for at least three years can also vote in local elections.

• Note: Non-citizens cannot vote in national elections or referenda.

3. Finland

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who are permanent residents of Finland and have lived there for at least two years can vote in municipal elections.

• Note: As with other countries, non-citizens are not allowed to vote in national elections.

4. Denmark

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who are residents of Denmark and have lived there for at least three years (EU citizens) or five years (non-EU citizens) can vote in municipal and regional elections.

• Note: Non-citizens cannot vote in national parliamentary elections.

5. Iceland

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who are citizens of Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden) and have lived in Iceland for at least three years can vote in municipal elections. Non-citizens from other countries who have lived in Iceland for at least five years are also eligible to vote in local elections.

• Note: Voting in national elections is restricted to Icelandic citizens.

6. Ireland

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who are EU citizens living in Ireland can vote in local elections and European Parliament elections, provided they meet residency requirements. Non-EU citizens can vote in local elections if they have been legally residing in Ireland for at least one year before the election.

• Note: Non-citizens cannot vote in national elections or referenda.

7. Belgium

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who are citizens of the European Union and have been residing in Belgium for at least five years can vote in local elections. They can also vote in European Parliament elections.

• Note: Non-EU citizens cannot vote in national elections or referenda.

8. Luxembourg

• Eligibility: Non-EU residents who have been living in Luxembourg for at least five years can vote in local elections. Citizens of other EU countries are also eligible to vote in national elections.

• Note: Luxembourg allows non-citizens to vote in municipal elections if they have resided in the country for five years.

9. Uruguay

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who have lived in Uruguay for at least three years can vote in national elections. This is a rare case where non-citizens have the right to participate in a national election.

• Note: Non-citizens must meet certain residency requirements to be eligible.

10. Argentina

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who have been legal residents of Argentina for at least two years can vote in national elections, including presidential elections.

• Note: Only legal residents who have fulfilled the necessary residency requirements can participate in elections.

11. Chile

• Eligibility: Non-citizens who are residents of Chile and are from countries that have reciprocal agreements with Chile can vote in local elections. This includes nationals of some Latin American countries who live in Chile.

• Note: Non-citizens cannot vote in national elections.

12. Portugal

• Eligibility: Non-citizens from European Union countries who have been living in Portugal for at least five years can vote in local elections. Non-EU citizens who have lived in Portugal for at least three years can also vote in local elections.

• Note: Non-citizens are excluded from national elections.

13. Brazil

• Eligibility: Foreigners who have lived in Brazil for at least 15 years and meet other conditions may vote in municipal elections. Non-citizens cannot vote in national elections.

• Note: The ability to vote depends on the specific laws governing each municipality.

Conclusion:

While the majority of countries limit voting rights to citizens, several allow non-citizens to participate in local or regional elections. The most common exceptions are for residents from other EU countries or long-term residents from specific countries with reciprocal agreements. Most non-citizens are excluded from voting in national elections, but local elections offer a key opportunity for foreign residents to have a voice in governance.

https://visaliv.com/forum/main-forum/what-countries-allow-non-citizens-to-vote-in-their-elections

Grins

(9,503 posts)
2. Great! Creating a real issue for Republicans to club us with!
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:48 PM
18 hrs ago

Promoting this is as stupid as “Defund the Police!”

Blues Heron

(8,973 posts)
3. its about basic fairness, not everything has to be about the fear of what pukes might do in response
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:54 PM
18 hrs ago

JI7

(93,820 posts)
4. Maybe he should focus on getting people who already can vote to actually vote
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:57 PM
18 hrs ago

this is just something so unnecessary and the type of shit that hurts us nationally.

JI7

(93,820 posts)
13. These are choices that people make. And as I said before
Sat May 2, 2026, 08:29 PM
16 hrs ago

if it's so important than work on increasing voter turnout of people that can already vote.

And then there will be thec issue of money in politics.

jfz9580m

(17,662 posts)
23. I really go facepalm at these stories
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:09 AM
7 hrs ago

I hate it when stupidity is somehow vaguely seen as left.

I always make it clear that I am an Indian educated in the US and mostly comment on issues in the US in the context of the US affecting the whole world. And not wanting to see China and Russia rise - two outright dictatorships.

I am on the Current Affairs Mag/Yasha Levine type of left because as left as they are they aren’t crazy or clueless.

I have to file some complaints and I am not thrilled at having to do so and was looking at this to make myself feel better about it:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/george-orwell-snitch-list-reactionary-grass-blacklist-communists-information-research-department-ird-government-celia-kirwan-a8414066.html


It’s like that movie Hitman. Except I didn’t set out to entrap a series of Darwin Awards candidates who copy crazies and have bogus grievances. And they are probably totally crazy.
I tried to scare them off, but it is no use.


This is the lunacy of thinking that the Flatland that is the internet and its dynamics carrying over more and more into the real world because an idiot like Zuckerberg says stuff like “normalize data leaks” and an ass like Andreessen calling the real world the “real world” means anything.

Many of the idiots who do all this are not even left or democrats etc. They are people, like many libertarians, who think like scammers and to whom taking advantage of daft people seems smart. Then there are people who try to help daft people and get mired themselves.

And finally fatalists like me who are sure it will all end badly, try to escape repeatedly, try to insulate themselves and finally give up. And prepare to file complaints. Goddamn canary in the Idiocracy. I knew some complaints couldn’t be avoided. But I wanted to minimize them.

It will be so awful. I will have to go to a court and my various profanity laden posts and emails may be pulled up. I have no idea how such things go.

Now I am a police informant. Dammit.

Edit: one plus of being human, being able to read human behavioural cues (honest and dishonest humans, bullies etc ) and 15 damn years of this bs by tech oligarchs and the unfurling of Trumpian idiocy is that I realized that marijuana is largely a maguffin.

But using its tentative legalization to throw in scammy Elizabeth Holmes style bogus crap; thinking Trumpism really means you its open season on women etc, big mistake. These guys are idiots. I am a worry wart more than not and even I have concluded this is like Jan 6 2.0.
If “given enough rope they will hang themselves” applied to anyone it is these guys and the types who take Trump, Musk, Zuckerberg etc seriously.
Hell Curtis Yarvin even gets it:

https://sfstandard.com/2025/10/07/citing-fear-democratic-vengeance-curtis-yarvin-says-may-flee-u-s/


It must be hard to be completely solipsistic and unprincipled when things change and to have all these inane stereotypes about the left. Complacency is stupid, but there is no way these guys are going to prevail. It is just how much more collateral damage

chowder66

(12,422 posts)
14. First thing to do is to think like Trump and his ilk on how to exploit this then discuss if it's viable.
Sat May 2, 2026, 08:43 PM
16 hrs ago

Fil1957

(805 posts)
20. This deserves serious consideration. But not now. This is the kind of thing the right wing press will go crazy with and
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:28 PM
14 hrs ago

crucify the Democrats with. This feeds into the alt-right myth that the left wants illegal immigration so the immigrants will vote for Democrats.

Doesn't Soto-Martínez read the national news? Doesn't he understand the gravity of this historical moment for our nation, and that by doing this he is giving the right fodder that reinforces their myth that the left is "anti-American"?

If he thinks this will be ignored by the right, he is sorely mistaken. This proposal is all we're going to hear about from now until November.

Intractable

(2,342 posts)
21. The right to vote is fundamental to being a citizen.
Sun May 3, 2026, 12:27 AM
12 hrs ago

Why bother becoming one if the rights and privileges can be conferred without that status?

soldierant

(9,368 posts)
22. Colorado allows some non citizens
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:55 AM
11 hrs ago

to vote in some elections, but not in municipal, county, state, or federal ones.

We have a lot of land here which is not covered by city or even county services such as firefighters or water, possibly even utilities (I'm not sure of that.) People who live in those areas, or just own property in them, may form special districts to provide those services and authorize them to collect taxes to provide them. (And once formed, any change in tax rates must do to a vote by the property owners.) Any property owner or co owner in those areas may vote in those election, whether citizen or non-citizen, green card, refugee, TPS, or whatever. If your name is on the deed or the mortgage, you can vote. No taxation without representation.

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