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Emrys

(8,673 posts)
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 10:41 PM Jul 5

Major reversal in ocean circulation detected in the Southern Ocean, with key climate implications

Satellite data processing algorithms developed by ICM-CSIC have played a crucial role in detecting this significant shift in the Southern Hemisphere, which could accelerate the effects of climate change.

Thanks to data obtained from Earth observation satellites, an international team of scientists has detected an unprecedented phenomenon for the first time: a reversal in the ocean circulation of the Southern Ocean. The study, led by the National Oceanographic Center (NOC, United Kingdom), was recently published in the journal PNAS. The Institut de Ciències del Mar (ICM-CSIC) played a fundamental role in the research by developing a set of pioneering satellite observations within the framework of the SO-FRESH project, funded by the European Space Agency (ESA).

The study’s main finding is both surprising and alarming: since 2016, a sustained increase in surface salinity has been detected in the region between the polar and subpolar gyres of the Antarctic Ocean. This change in water composition suggests that the deep ocean circulation in the Southern Hemisphere—known as the SMOC—is not only being altered, but has reversed. That is, instead of sinking into the depths, surface water is being replaced by deep water masses rising to the surface, bringing with them heat and carbon dioxide (CO₂ ) that had been trapped for centuries.

“We are witnessing a true reversal of ocean circulation in the Southern Hemisphere—something we’ve never seen before,” explains Antonio Turiel, ICM-CSIC researcher and co-author of the study. “While the world is debating the potential collapse of the AMOC in the North Atlantic, we’re seeing that the SMOC is not just weakening, but has reversed. This could have unprecedented global climate impacts.”

According to the research team, the consequences of this reversal are already becoming visible. The upwelling of deep, warm, CO₂-rich waters is believed to be driving the accelerated melting of sea ice in the Southern Ocean. In the long term, this process could double current atmospheric CO₂ concentrations by releasing carbon that has been stored in the deep ocean for centuries—potentially with catastrophic consequences for the global climate.

https://www.icm.csic.es/en/news/major-reversal-ocean-circulation-detected-southern-ocean-key-climate-implications
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Major reversal in ocean circulation detected in the Southern Ocean, with key climate implications (Original Post) Emrys Jul 5 OP
That went... 2naSalit Jul 5 #1
Poles dweller Jul 5 #2
Thankfully that's not possible and just a crackpot theory NickB79 Jul 6 #21
Ok sure dweller Jul 6 #23
I remember when the markodochartaigh Jul 7 #26
Glad Europe is funding this--can't be shut down by an EO Bayard Jul 5 #3
Fuck dalton99a Jul 5 #4
And the Orange Anus will do absolutely nothing about it. SunSeeker Jul 6 #6
Say what you will about the Orange Anus BWdem4life Jul 6 #14
He absolutely has the power to prepare us for the effects of climate change. SunSeeker Jul 6 #15
Honestly, if this is real, there's not much left to do to stop it NickB79 Jul 6 #22
Lethal wet bulb temperatures markodochartaigh Jul 7 #27
I'm not a climate scientist. But I do know enough Dr. T Jul 6 #5
That's friggin' funny. Tell him he needs to read the bible himself instead of zoning out to some Joel Olsteen. LT Barclay Jul 6 #10
Did you skip "Job"? nt intrepidity Jul 6 #12
No why? LT Barclay Jul 6 #13
Agreed on "we are fucked.." There was a post yesterday on one of the climate theorists who had c-rational Jul 7 #29
Does that mean BidenRocks Jul 6 #7
Whatever dissolved itself in the water. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 6 #19
Any geological evidence for what has actually been the consequences for when it's happened in the past? cstanleytech Jul 6 #8
This is scary as hell. highplainsdem Jul 6 #9
"...bringing with them heat and carbon dioxide (CO₂ ) that had been trapped for centuries." LudwigPastorius Jul 6 #11
Life on Earth will adapt to the new climate. Dr. T Jul 6 #16
"Life on Earth" - not all of it, possibly not most of life as we know it today RandomNumbers Jul 6 #17
Figures. Xavier Breath Jul 6 #18
A doubling of CO2 would be utterly catastrophic NickB79 Jul 6 #20
KnR Hekate Jul 7 #24
3 days later and still not on many websites or news outlets. C Moon Jul 7 #25
Here is a very interesting video by markodochartaigh Jul 7 #28

NickB79

(19,984 posts)
21. Thankfully that's not possible and just a crackpot theory
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 10:33 PM
Jul 6

Magnetic pole reversals do occur, but don't appear to have any significant impact on the biosphere or climate.

dweller

(26,848 posts)
23. Ok sure
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 10:42 PM
Jul 6

Reading down thread it’s the apocalypse … but poles reversing ?
Yeh , not that .

Got it .


✌🏻

markodochartaigh

(3,368 posts)
26. I remember when the
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 09:07 PM
Jul 7

Poles reversed in 1990. One day communist, the next day anti-communist. Now before elections when people ask what the Poles say, I just say don't worry about what the Poles say, just ask Americans.


jk

Bayard

(26,027 posts)
3. Glad Europe is funding this--can't be shut down by an EO
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:19 PM
Jul 5

Scary stuff. "The Day After Tomorrow," coming soon to a planet near you.

BWdem4life

(2,568 posts)
14. Say what you will about the Orange Anus
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 03:34 AM
Jul 6

But don't say he has the actual power to reverse this. Or even slow it down much. That's way more power than he actually has. That's why he focuses on the things he does have the power to change - petty, mean things.

SunSeeker

(56,162 posts)
15. He absolutely has the power to prepare us for the effects of climate change.
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 04:22 AM
Jul 6

And he absolutely has the power to lead the world in slowing down climate change. And he could be funding the many promising research projects out there dealing with ways to slow down and even reverse climate change.

He has the power to do all that. Instead, he is just using the office to do mean, petty things. And enrich himself.

NickB79

(19,984 posts)
22. Honestly, if this is real, there's not much left to do to stop it
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 10:39 PM
Jul 6

We don't have the scalable tech to draw down CO2 in any meaningful way, no matter what some of the tech bros say, and it will take millennia to naturally sequester enough CO2 to stop this. If we've passed this tipping point, there is no serious slowing it any more.

Adaptation would require a massive migration away from the equator towards the poles, and abandoning every coastal city we have. All while emitting no additional carbon.

No one will do this, as it would destroy the global economy.

markodochartaigh

(3,368 posts)
27. Lethal wet bulb temperatures
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 09:16 PM
Jul 7

will soon start to cause many more deaths. Underground cooling centers could be built in many areas, and it's not just towards the equator, look at the projections for the Mississippi Valley up to St Louis.

And, with the heat intolerance of RuBisCo activase, we are probably only a couple of decades away from serial cereal harvest failures. We should be developing algal, bacterial, and yeast strains that can yield palatable food. We need to drop much further down the food chain.

Dr. T

(306 posts)
5. I'm not a climate scientist. But I do know enough
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 12:22 AM
Jul 6

about thermodynamics to understand the implications. To say "we're fucked" is an understatement.

I've got a born-again brother who tried to tell me that his pal God wouldn't allow the human race to incinerate itself. I'll have to break it to him gently.

LT Barclay

(3,045 posts)
10. That's friggin' funny. Tell him he needs to read the bible himself instead of zoning out to some Joel Olsteen.
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 01:02 AM
Jul 6

The Old Testament is basically one story after another of how humans screw themselves over when left to their own devices. Their lot only improved when they followed God. And spoiler alert, our country is far from that.
If he really wants a slap in the face, tell him to read Jeremiah and focus on what God said he would do to Israel (his chosen people) for mistreating immigrants.
I personally have collected about 7 pages of scripture (most only the reference and a few have full text) that supports EVERY tenet of environmentalism. There is a very good book on the environment "Green Like God" and the classic "God's Politics" where Jim Wallis calls what right-wing churches teach "the perverted gospel".

c-rational

(3,073 posts)
29. Agreed on "we are fucked.." There was a post yesterday on one of the climate theorists who had
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 10:58 PM
Jul 7

always been positive. Now he is simply resigned - he believes we have passed the tipping point breaching 7 of 9 planetary thresholds...pH of the oceans, CO2, etc. I believe the big boys know this and that is whey no more bad news from the weather guys. Knnowing this also makes sense of donny 2 scoops wanting to annnex Canada and acquire Greeenland.

The scientist indicates he believes earth will have enough arable land to support 0.4 billion. So why do we need FEMA, or sending gain to ease famine overseas the powers at be say.

We never took out a cheap insurance policy when Jimmy Carter was president. No we had to ellect the 'loud mouth stupid hsbullies, i.e. those who couold be bought and pushed by the money(oil) guys.

cstanleytech

(27,770 posts)
8. Any geological evidence for what has actually been the consequences for when it's happened in the past?
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 12:55 AM
Jul 6

LudwigPastorius

(12,954 posts)
11. "...bringing with them heat and carbon dioxide (CO₂ ) that had been trapped for centuries."
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 01:14 AM
Jul 6

Isn't that how some of those apocalyptic sci-fi movies begin?




Dr. T

(306 posts)
16. Life on Earth will adapt to the new climate.
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 11:01 AM
Jul 6

Unfortunately for us, the human race won't be part of it.

I've always said that we're a cancer on this planet and that the planet will purge itself.

RandomNumbers

(18,779 posts)
17. "Life on Earth" - not all of it, possibly not most of life as we know it today
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 05:09 PM
Jul 6

I'm only an amateur naturalist, but know that one of the major concerns of rapid climate change and ecosystem destruction, is that most species cannot adapt fast enough, and many could become extinct unless humans act to protect them. (because we damned sure won't act to slow down the ecosystem upheaval that is extincting them)

To the extent humans survive, for a while we may preserve a few charismatic species like monarch butterflies, a bird or two (sorry, ivory-billed woodpecker), maybe a couple species of whales. Eventually humans will say fuck it and put all their* energy to try to save themselves. ( *their : because I hope to be dead before it gets THAT bad. It's a reasonable expectation. )

Meanwhile, the non-charismatic species are fucked. Well mostly they are already. Some life will survive, and presumably evolution will start over again.

Sad picture, isn't it? I walk out in my garden most days and I am easily captivated by something "new" (to me) every day. The beauty of a spider's web, or a bug that I haven't seen before, or an interesting plant I haven't looked at closely before. To think much of this diversity will disappear because most humans are completely clueless, and most who aren't clueless are careless or actively out to destroy.

Xavier Breath

(5,842 posts)
18. Figures.
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 05:53 PM
Jul 6

Just came from reading the other climate story on the first page, then ran into this. The hits just keep on-a coming.

NickB79

(19,984 posts)
20. A doubling of CO2 would be utterly catastrophic
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 10:31 PM
Jul 6

It would put us back 50 million years, when the poles were green and Wyoming was a subtropical forest.

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