Major reversal in ocean circulation detected in the Southern Ocean, with key climate implications
Thanks to data obtained from Earth observation satellites, an international team of scientists has detected an unprecedented phenomenon for the first time: a reversal in the ocean circulation of the Southern Ocean. The study, led by the National Oceanographic Center (NOC, United Kingdom), was recently published in the journal PNAS. The Institut de Ciències del Mar (ICM-CSIC) played a fundamental role in the research by developing a set of pioneering satellite observations within the framework of the SO-FRESH project, funded by the European Space Agency (ESA).
The studys main finding is both surprising and alarming: since 2016, a sustained increase in surface salinity has been detected in the region between the polar and subpolar gyres of the Antarctic Ocean. This change in water composition suggests that the deep ocean circulation in the Southern Hemisphereknown as the SMOCis not only being altered, but has reversed. That is, instead of sinking into the depths, surface water is being replaced by deep water masses rising to the surface, bringing with them heat and carbon dioxide (CO₂ ) that had been trapped for centuries.
We are witnessing a true reversal of ocean circulation in the Southern Hemispheresomething weve never seen before, explains Antonio Turiel, ICM-CSIC researcher and co-author of the study. While the world is debating the potential collapse of the AMOC in the North Atlantic, were seeing that the SMOC is not just weakening, but has reversed. This could have unprecedented global climate impacts.
According to the research team, the consequences of this reversal are already becoming visible. The upwelling of deep, warm, CO₂-rich waters is believed to be driving the accelerated melting of sea ice in the Southern Ocean. In the long term, this process could double current atmospheric CO₂ concentrations by releasing carbon that has been stored in the deep ocean for centuriespotentially with catastrophic consequences for the global climate.
https://www.icm.csic.es/en/news/major-reversal-ocean-circulation-detected-southern-ocean-key-climate-implications

2naSalit
(97,341 posts)Down pretty fast.
reversing next
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NickB79
(19,984 posts)Magnetic pole reversals do occur, but don't appear to have any significant impact on the biosphere or climate.
Reading down thread its the apocalypse
but poles reversing ?
Yeh , not that .
Got it .
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markodochartaigh
(3,368 posts)Poles reversed in 1990. One day communist, the next day anti-communist. Now before elections when people ask what the Poles say, I just say don't worry about what the Poles say, just ask Americans.
jk
Bayard
(26,027 posts)Scary stuff. "The Day After Tomorrow," coming soon to a planet near you.
This is bad.
SunSeeker
(56,162 posts)It is bad. Very bad.
BWdem4life
(2,568 posts)But don't say he has the actual power to reverse this. Or even slow it down much. That's way more power than he actually has. That's why he focuses on the things he does have the power to change - petty, mean things.
SunSeeker
(56,162 posts)And he absolutely has the power to lead the world in slowing down climate change. And he could be funding the many promising research projects out there dealing with ways to slow down and even reverse climate change.
He has the power to do all that. Instead, he is just using the office to do mean, petty things. And enrich himself.
NickB79
(19,984 posts)We don't have the scalable tech to draw down CO2 in any meaningful way, no matter what some of the tech bros say, and it will take millennia to naturally sequester enough CO2 to stop this. If we've passed this tipping point, there is no serious slowing it any more.
Adaptation would require a massive migration away from the equator towards the poles, and abandoning every coastal city we have. All while emitting no additional carbon.
No one will do this, as it would destroy the global economy.
markodochartaigh
(3,368 posts)will soon start to cause many more deaths. Underground cooling centers could be built in many areas, and it's not just towards the equator, look at the projections for the Mississippi Valley up to St Louis.
And, with the heat intolerance of RuBisCo activase, we are probably only a couple of decades away from serial cereal harvest failures. We should be developing algal, bacterial, and yeast strains that can yield palatable food. We need to drop much further down the food chain.
Dr. T
(306 posts)about thermodynamics to understand the implications. To say "we're fucked" is an understatement.
I've got a born-again brother who tried to tell me that his pal God wouldn't allow the human race to incinerate itself. I'll have to break it to him gently.
LT Barclay
(3,045 posts)The Old Testament is basically one story after another of how humans screw themselves over when left to their own devices. Their lot only improved when they followed God. And spoiler alert, our country is far from that.
If he really wants a slap in the face, tell him to read Jeremiah and focus on what God said he would do to Israel (his chosen people) for mistreating immigrants.
I personally have collected about 7 pages of scripture (most only the reference and a few have full text) that supports EVERY tenet of environmentalism. There is a very good book on the environment "Green Like God" and the classic "God's Politics" where Jim Wallis calls what right-wing churches teach "the perverted gospel".
intrepidity
(8,363 posts)LT Barclay
(3,045 posts)c-rational
(3,073 posts)always been positive. Now he is simply resigned - he believes we have passed the tipping point breaching 7 of 9 planetary thresholds...pH of the oceans, CO2, etc. I believe the big boys know this and that is whey no more bad news from the weather guys. Knnowing this also makes sense of donny 2 scoops wanting to annnex Canada and acquire Greeenland.
The scientist indicates he believes earth will have enough arable land to support 0.4 billion. So why do we need FEMA, or sending gain to ease famine overseas the powers at be say.
We never took out a cheap insurance policy when Jimmy Carter was president. No we had to ellect the 'loud mouth stupid hsbullies, i.e. those who couold be bought and pushed by the money(oil) guys.
BidenRocks
(1,854 posts)We get all the garbage back?
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,143 posts)cstanleytech
(27,770 posts)highplainsdem
(57,376 posts)LudwigPastorius
(12,954 posts)Isn't that how some of those apocalyptic sci-fi movies begin?
Dr. T
(306 posts)Unfortunately for us, the human race won't be part of it.
I've always said that we're a cancer on this planet and that the planet will purge itself.
RandomNumbers
(18,779 posts)I'm only an amateur naturalist, but know that one of the major concerns of rapid climate change and ecosystem destruction, is that most species cannot adapt fast enough, and many could become extinct unless humans act to protect them. (because we damned sure won't act to slow down the ecosystem upheaval that is extincting them)
To the extent humans survive, for a while we may preserve a few charismatic species like monarch butterflies, a bird or two (sorry, ivory-billed woodpecker), maybe a couple species of whales. Eventually humans will say fuck it and put all their* energy to try to save themselves. ( *their : because I hope to be dead before it gets THAT bad. It's a reasonable expectation. )
Meanwhile, the non-charismatic species are fucked. Well mostly they are already. Some life will survive, and presumably evolution will start over again.
Sad picture, isn't it? I walk out in my garden most days and I am easily captivated by something "new" (to me) every day. The beauty of a spider's web, or a bug that I haven't seen before, or an interesting plant I haven't looked at closely before. To think much of this diversity will disappear because most humans are completely clueless, and most who aren't clueless are careless or actively out to destroy.
Xavier Breath
(5,842 posts)Just came from reading the other climate story on the first page, then ran into this. The hits just keep on-a coming.
NickB79
(19,984 posts)It would put us back 50 million years, when the poles were green and Wyoming was a subtropical forest.
C Moon
(12,996 posts)What gives?
Scary news.
markodochartaigh
(3,368 posts)Paul Beckwith on this disturbing paper.