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erronis

(20,644 posts)
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 09:43 AM Jul 6

Could America break apart? UCSB expert explores the possibility

https://news.ucsb.edu/2025/021936/could-america-break-apart-ucsb-expert-explores-possibility

In a new book, political economist Benjamin Cohen considers the forces driving nations — including the United States — toward fragmentation

Benjamin Cohen begins his new book — his 20th, if you are counting — with a fictional news dispatch from the year 2035.

“After years of festering discontent with the direction of politics in Washington, California today formally declared its independence as a sovereign nation,” it reads. “President Vance has threatened a military takeover of state government in Sacramento, backed by National Guard troops from nearby red states. Armed conflict looks increasingly possible.”

A provocative scenario, all the more plausible coming at a time when California’s governor is furious at the president for ordering troops into the state to keep order at immigration protests. But for all our partisan acrimony and political polarization, America isn’t really headed towards a second Civil War — right?

“I wish I could be that sanguine about it,” said Distinguished Professor Emeritus Cohen, who spent 30 years as the Louis G. Lancaster Professor of International Political Economy in the Political Science Department at UC Santa Barbara before retiring from teaching in 2021. “I’m not. It seems to me we cannot ignore the risks of the current fissures and fragmentation — the breakdown of a sense of community.”

Given that today’s political divide is more between urban and rural as opposed to North vs. South or East vs. West, “It’s difficult for me to imagine how things would divide up if there were a civil war,” Cohen added. “But the probability of such a war is substantially greater than zero.”

Cohen’s views on the subject are extremely well-informed. His new book “Dream States: A Lurking Nightmare for the World Order” (Oxford University Press, 2025) is a comprehensive guide to secession movements currently active all around the world. He provides an assessment of the risk of these efforts leading to violence, and offers a possible path to diffusing tensions.

“I consider secession a grievously underappreciated phenomenon,” he said. “My motivation to write this book was to call people’s attention to this fact.

“We tend to simplify geography by looking exclusively at the existing lines on a map that separate one sovereign state from another,” he continued. “But the reality is there are many people within those states that are very unhappy with the arrangement. They’d prefer to draw the lines in a different way. In some cases, they’re prepared to fight to redraw those lines.”

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Could America break apart? UCSB expert explores the possibility (Original Post) erronis Jul 6 OP
I have to read this book JustAnotherGen Jul 6 #1
This is what Putin wants Luvcatz14 Jul 6 #2
First of all, I doubt Vance will be the next president considering the way... brush Jul 6 #3
The Constitution provides for defensive threats of violence when our freedoms are at stake... AntiFascist Jul 6 #4

JustAnotherGen

(35,678 posts)
1. I have to read this book
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 09:51 AM
Jul 6

Thanks!

Intolerable Acts by the Federal regime is going to destroy These United States.

brush

(60,608 posts)
3. First of all, I doubt Vance will be the next president considering the way...
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jul 6

the trump/vance admin has fucked up and is continuing to. IMO the only way vance gets in is thru having to invoke the 25th Amendment because of the near-senile trump's incapacitation.

Mind you, vance is itching to invoke said amendment if you ask me.

But if there is separation, let all the magats move to below the Mason/Dixon line, government-funded, and all the blue voters do the same about the line and we split peacefully. The magats will soon find out that the blue states have been supporting them dinancially for decade with subtantially more contributions to the federal govenment to make up the shortfalls from red states.

Happy two-state solution, magats.

AntiFascist

(13,528 posts)
4. The Constitution provides for defensive threats of violence when our freedoms are at stake...
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 08:14 PM
Jul 6

and it shouldn't matter how the Supreme Court might rule in the president's favor; the Second Amendment would stand on its own, attempting to hold the union together under the Constitution.

The framers feared that a rogue president might attempt to use the forces under his command to invade a State and undermine its citizens. They felt that a well-armed citizenry could overpower any such attempts, utilizing their own well-regulated militias.

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