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riversedge

(76,620 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 07:13 AM Friday

'Denied': Troopers refuse to release Trump assassination attempt records


I have always thought police records were public records.
IMHO--Trump must have put a hold on them????


'Denied': Troopers refuse to release Trump assassination attempt records

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-assassination-2673343883/

Sarah K. Burris July 17, 2025 2:41PM ET

Nate Jones, the director of Freedom of Information Act requests at The Washington Post, revealed on Thursday that Pennsylvania State Police have refused to turn over the "after action report" in the assassination attempt against President Donald Trump last year.

Writing on X, Jones noted that both Butler County and state police confirmed the offices are "in possession of an after action report on 7/13/24 assassination attempt of Donald Trump."

Both refuse to release the report, however.

"Your request is denied as it seeks non-public records. the RTKL defines a 'public record' as '[a] record ... of a Commonwealth or local agency that (1) is not exepmpt under section 708; (2) is not expempt from being disclosed under any other Federal or State law or regulation or judicial order or decree; or (3) is not protected by a privilege," read the state polic letter.................


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'Denied': Troopers refuse to release Trump assassination attempt records (Original Post) riversedge Friday OP
Too many screw ups for the public to ever see it. Irish_Dem Friday #1
Or maybe it unfolded exactly as planned. TheRickles Friday #2
Check the reddit video I posted below. I think you're right. Scrivener7 Friday #4
yes, this helped him get elected and the myth he needs from this MadameButterfly Friday #5
There's a new video circulating on Reddit. It is taken from a different angle than the ones we've seen. It shows Scrivener7 Friday #3
Wow. And it was strange that the SS was so slow getting Trump off the stage. Irish_Dem Friday #6
I just edited that post to point out that all that activity to frame that perfect photo was Scrivener7 Friday #8
When it comes to Trump and the MAGAs, nothing would surprise me. Nothing. Irish_Dem Friday #12
I come from a family that had a small NYC construction company through the 1990s. I've been Scrivener7 Friday #18
Exactly. Trump is a ruthless psychopath and career criminal. Irish_Dem Friday #19
Yeah, if any of you don't remember how the SS huddled over St. Ronnie after the assassination attempt on him, raccoon Friday #25
And stop to let him find his shoes and put them on. Irish_Dem Friday #28
It bdamomma Friday #47
So obviously staged PSPS Friday #53
That's typical confirmation bias. Bernardo de La Paz Friday #9
Post removed Post removed Friday #10
The wind moved the flag and the camera moved. You can see it. There is no evidence crane operators lowered the flag Bernardo de La Paz Friday #13
I see no evidence for your position. Whereas the evidence in the film shows the careful Scrivener7 Friday #20
You need evidence, not me. Ball is in your court. With wind & camera movement shown, you need crane operator evidence Bernardo de La Paz Friday #22
See if you can come up with any evidence for your position, Bernardo. In the meantime, have a lovely day. Scrivener7 Friday #23
I already gave you the evidence and stated it twice. But, hey, it's more fun to add people to the conspiracy. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #27
You are correct. Such a plot could not be kept under wraps for long. JohnnyRingo Friday #21
We don't even know who the aide is. Could have been part of the media Bernardo de La Paz Friday #24
That's the problem I have with almost all conspiracy theories. NH Ethylene Friday #40
Yes. And they also think tRump would willing put himself in the line of fire of a green sharpshooter. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #41
I like to say every conspiracy theory is a completed jig saw puzzle JohnnyRingo Friday #44
Go get a protractor... Trueblue Texan Friday #49
I checked. The crane did not move. The camera position moved up & sideways and shifted the frame. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #50
yes the camera did move, but if you measure with a protractor you can see the angle Trueblue Texan Friday #56
And nobody moved from their seats. They just sat and clapped. live love laugh Friday #14
They did not just sit there. So now the crowd is in on the conspiracy and paid off? Was the fireman similarly informed? Bernardo de La Paz Friday #17
Are you? live love laugh Friday #29
No. That's a question that shows how ridiculous the crane operator theory is. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #31
So I will put you down for no conspiracy. Got it. ✔️ live love laugh Friday #33
Nothing I have written says there is no conspiracy. Bernardo de La Paz Friday #35
Scrivenor7, I went and looked at the video and as least regards the alleged lowering of the flag, harumph Friday #42
There is, but there's a short stabilization of the camera as the flag comes down. In other words. Scrivener7 Friday #43
I put nothing past Trump and his people. The fact that nothing has been released Autumn Friday #45
Why won't they release the "Trump assassination records"? Dave Id Friday #7
They should ask instead about the time he pretended to get shot Orrex Friday #11
As suspicious as this entire episode is, someone did, in fact, get shot and died. MLWR Friday #15
From their point of view, all the better. It surprises me that people think this would bother him. Scrivener7 Friday #26
I imagine the after action report not only would show where mistakes were made but could help to refine any possible Buddyzbuddy Friday #16
I can't believe the assassination attempt was staged but I don't think that was Trump's blood either. doc03 Friday #30
I honestly don't know either way, but... Pacifist Patriot Friday #38
Shocking SheltieLover Friday #32
Who knows? lonely bird Friday #34
We can speculate but let us be reminded of the travesty of this event; he lived. twodogsbarking Friday #36
Yup Abstractartist Friday #37
The doctor's report from the emergency room or Walter Reed would describe the nature of his ear wound. TheRickles Friday #46
LOL. "Ear wound" PSPS Friday #54
Thanks for this great photo montage. It's just ridiculous. TheRickles Friday #55
What's "expempt"? UpInArms Friday #39
Plastic shrapnel. Fiorillo Friday #48
The merch though. luvallpeeps Friday #51
Very suspicious ck4829 Friday #52

Irish_Dem

(72,435 posts)
1. Too many screw ups for the public to ever see it.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 07:14 AM
Friday

Or maybe not mistakes, but deliberate incompetence.

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
3. There's a new video circulating on Reddit. It is taken from a different angle than the ones we've seen. It shows
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:01 AM
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a member of the Taco team being allowed to cross below the stage as Taco is on the ground, while no one should have been near the stage. That person then ushers a handful of photographers to the spot below the stage, then tells them to move to the right so they are positioned perfectly for the photo op. THEN the crane lowers the flag to be within the photo angle.

From the comments of the crowd, this all happens before the crowd knows whether he is alive or dead.

THEN Taco stands up and they take the perfect photo.

It was a hoax.

Here's a link. https://www.reddit.com/r/misc/comments/1m2aend/new_angle_of_trumps_assassination_attempt_what/

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
8. I just edited that post to point out that all that activity to frame that perfect photo was
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:16 AM
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done before anyone in the crowd knew whether he was alive or dead. You can tell by the comments you hear.

And the people organizing it were not much closer to the SS scrum around Taco. So how did they know? It appears to have been carefully planned in advance.

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
18. I come from a family that had a small NYC construction company through the 1990s. I've been
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:42 AM
Friday

watching him since the 80s when I first became aware of him stiffing my dad's friend for a subcontracting job, causing the guy to go bankrupt. So I've been aware of his scams since then, including the ones that basically destroyed Atlantic City and the endless lawsuits, general lawlessness, and serial bankruptcies.

Given that context, I would be surprised if it wasn't a hoax.

Irish_Dem

(72,435 posts)
19. Exactly. Trump is a ruthless psychopath and career criminal.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:45 AM
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He is running the Trump Family Crime Syndicate.

He is perfectly capable of staging a fake assassination attempt for attention, fame, marketing, PR, etc.

raccoon

(31,952 posts)
25. Yeah, if any of you don't remember how the SS huddled over St. Ronnie after the assassination attempt on him,
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:59 AM
Friday

look up a video of it.

They wouldn't let ANY president wander around and do a fist-up to show his "power" right after the attempt.

Irish_Dem

(72,435 posts)
28. And stop to let him find his shoes and put them on.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:01 AM
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They had no way of knowing there was another active shooter.

It was unbelievable.

bdamomma

(68,853 posts)
47. It
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:14 AM
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was all to make him look invincible, but sadly 2 people got killed, which the felon does not give a crap about.

As Orrex posts every day, Is He Dead Yet??

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
9. That's typical confirmation bias.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:23 AM
Friday

The flag was not lowered. The frame of the camera moves up and wind blows the flag. If you look at the crane, it does not move. Yes, it conceivably could have winched it down a bit, but come on, get real. The confirmation bias requires the theorists to keep enlarging the size of the conspiracy.

Now they have they crane operator roped in. Told that when something happens, lower the flag a few feet but not too much. And here's a ton of money to keep quiet.

But they would not have crane operators in the two cranes the whole time. Two cranes. They would have been noticed.

No worries. The theorists invent people who are not there when the theory needs it. Because they can't be shown to be there or not there, it's ideal.

Not only are there all kinds of operatives required for this massive conspiracy but there are also operatives to pay off the operatives and enforcers to enforce silence and operatives to pay off the enforcers and enforcers to silence the operatives paying off the primary enforcers and keep the enforcers silent.

Detect an issue with the theory? No problem! Just expand the conspiracy and voila, you got it covered.

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #9)

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
13. The wind moved the flag and the camera moved. You can see it. There is no evidence crane operators lowered the flag
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:39 AM
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There is not even any evidence anybody was at the controls of the crane, but lack of evidence means theorists can invent stuff.

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
20. I see no evidence for your position. Whereas the evidence in the film shows the careful
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:47 AM
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positioning of the photographers in the exact spot where they need to be, though there was no way anyone should have known where that exact spot should be, the lowering of the flag into the perfect position, and the fact that they kept Cankles on the ground just exactly long enough to get the photo set up.

So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
22. You need evidence, not me. Ball is in your court. With wind & camera movement shown, you need crane operator evidence
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:55 AM
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You don't have it.

Thing about confirmation bias is that it doesn't need evidence. Just claim the flags moved without a wider angle to provide evidence. There are wider angles of the scene. Find one, and apply measurements to the point where the flag is attached.

But you won't. And you can't, because measurements will show it didn't move. How do I know? I don't know. But it is not my theory. Ball is in your court. You need evidence. You don't have it.

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
23. See if you can come up with any evidence for your position, Bernardo. In the meantime, have a lovely day.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:57 AM
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Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
27. I already gave you the evidence and stated it twice. But, hey, it's more fun to add people to the conspiracy. . . nt
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:00 AM
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JohnnyRingo

(20,063 posts)
21. You are correct. Such a plot could not be kept under wraps for long.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:50 AM
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It would involve too many people that have to be sworn to silence. That never works.
Although the aide does seem to "usher" in the press, it's more likely he was just running across while the photographers did what press photographers do. - run toward the action.

Still, I'd think there would have been a secure perimeter by then, but that could be easily explained as incompetence.
The real clincher is Trump would never trust anyone to shoot a live round as close to his head without hitting him. Then kill an innocent bystander.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
24. We don't even know who the aide is. Could have been part of the media
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:59 AM
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The media has people like that so camera operators can operate without having to watch their backs or what they might back into, etc.

But, hey, it's real easy to claim that the person was a conspiracy operative, paid off and enforced along with the fireman's family and the crowd and the crane operators and the FBI and the Secret Service and the local cops and the shooter.

NH Ethylene

(31,184 posts)
40. That's the problem I have with almost all conspiracy theories.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:35 AM
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You can't keep a whole group of people from talking about it, completely and forever. It will leak out.

It seems very likely that Trump, et al would do something like faking an assassination attempt. What doesn't seem likely is that all the people who needed to be complicit - including the gunman himself - would go along with it and would afterward never tell a soul.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
41. Yes. And they also think tRump would willing put himself in the line of fire of a green sharpshooter. . . nt
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:40 AM
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JohnnyRingo

(20,063 posts)
44. I like to say every conspiracy theory is a completed jig saw puzzle
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:01 AM
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...but there's always one integral piece that doesn't fit the picture. People usually pound it in with a mallet.

Trueblue Texan

(3,486 posts)
49. Go get a protractor...
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:17 AM
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Note the difference between the angle of the top of the trees and the center of the boom at 1 second compared to the angle at 39 seconds. The boom was lowered. Go check.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
50. I checked. The crane did not move. The camera position moved up & sideways and shifted the frame. . . . nt
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:21 AM
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Trueblue Texan

(3,486 posts)
56. yes the camera did move, but if you measure with a protractor you can see the angle
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:49 PM
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between the tree and the boom moved. That angle would not move with the lateral camera movement. I checked too.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
17. They did not just sit there. So now the crowd is in on the conspiracy and paid off? Was the fireman similarly informed?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:42 AM
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Bernardo de La Paz

(57,154 posts)
35. Nothing I have written says there is no conspiracy.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:11 AM
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There are questions I want answered.
There were multiple mistakes and security lapses.
A person died.

I have not ruled a conspiracy out, but they are highly unlikely and the theorists "evidence" does not meet proper standards and a lot of it is just supposition.

harumph

(2,850 posts)
42. Scrivenor7, I went and looked at the video and as least regards the alleged lowering of the flag,
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:41 AM
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if you focus attention to the upper right corner of the video frame on the boom, you may notice there is a slight pulling back and
camera 'up-tilt' that reveals more of the boom and the flag enters the frame. IOW, no actual movement of the boom.

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
43. There is, but there's a short stabilization of the camera as the flag comes down. In other words.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:58 AM
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the camera doesn't move for a second or two while the flag comes down.

Autumn

(48,160 posts)
45. I put nothing past Trump and his people. The fact that nothing has been released
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:06 AM
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on this bullshit play makes me lean into CT territory. His ear was pristine a few days later. I've seen more damage with an ear piercing than that silly thing.

Dave Id

(130 posts)
7. Why won't they release the "Trump assassination records"?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:13 AM
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My opinion, it would prove, it was staged.

Orrex

(65,554 posts)
11. They should ask instead about the time he pretended to get shot
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:36 AM
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Calling it the “assassination attempt” probably confused the record keepers.

Scrivener7

(56,470 posts)
26. From their point of view, all the better. It surprises me that people think this would bother him.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:00 AM
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And just to keep it accurate, two people died including the shooter who was a hapless maga who probably never knew he was the fall guy.
https://www.newsweek.com/thomas-matthew-crooks-donald-trump-sign-yard-neighbor-assassination-attempt-1925678

Buddyzbuddy

(1,189 posts)
16. I imagine the after action report not only would show where mistakes were made but could help to refine any possible
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 08:42 AM
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future attempts. Therefore, I would guess they would not release that information to the public. I would also guess since it was a public rally, there would have been many cameras filming from multiple angles.

doc03

(38,138 posts)
30. I can't believe the assassination attempt was staged but I don't think that was Trump's blood either.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:04 AM
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Pacifist Patriot

(25,060 posts)
38. I honestly don't know either way, but...
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:32 AM
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If not staged, I certainly wouldn't put anything past this lot for exploiting an unexpected situation and twisting it to their advantage.

lonely bird

(2,423 posts)
34. Who knows?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:11 AM
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Is there a cover up regarding incompetency? It would not surprise me.

I find it interesting that there were photos of the Orange Orangutan with a fucking mattress on his ear. That was for sympathy.

As for a CT? I have no opinion.

Abstractartist

(277 posts)
37. Yup
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:29 AM
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Yup… they are not releasing anything that would show a totally fake assault or assassination attempt. Totally fake. No way his ear isn’t mush…. 👎🏻

TheRickles

(2,845 posts)
46. The doctor's report from the emergency room or Walter Reed would describe the nature of his ear wound.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:13 AM
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I'm sure they'll claim that release of such confidential information is prevented by HIPAA privacy concerns, but that information would be a clincher, IMO.

Fiorillo

(4 posts)
48. Plastic shrapnel.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:15 AM
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The reason they won't release the records, is it will show he was hit by shrapnel from the teleprompter.

luvallpeeps

(1,224 posts)
51. The merch though.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:09 AM
Friday

I saw a lady pay with a credit card that had the fight, fight, fight picture on it within 3 weeks of the incident. So freaking gag-worthy.

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