for a CEO to pay attention to every last detail, if only superficially. But the take away imho is he knew everything, and the fringes of the Epstein enterprise could have many more damaging elements.

Krasnov probably offered her up to Epstein.

Krasnov's falling out with Epstein was over a real estate transaction, was over money.

Trump and Epstein were best friends is the bottom line.

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Trump soon resold it to a Russian oligarch for a huuuuge profit in laundered rubles. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/why-did-a-russian-pay-95m-to-buy-trumps-palm-beach-mansion/

Krasnov was pissed that Epstein was bidding which drove up the price and cost Krasnov millions of dollars.

You don't NEED to bid, if you are of normal sound mind

He should have just stuck to that story. His new version just raises more unsettling questions.

It's said that after the real estate deal (which Trump won, to Epstein's disgust ... While Epstein bid up the property, to Trump's revulsion) they had their real rupture.

But it's also said that before that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-A-Lago because Epstein was, and I quote, "a creep." However, away from MAL they still interacted until the real estate clash.

Nuance.

Employees, who by virtue of their young age, couldn’t have worked at Mar-a-Lago very long and could presumably be easily replaced. Aren’t there long lines of people wanting to work at an awesome place like MAL? (sarcasm)

He’s got no anger that Epstein was recruiting minors for sex trafficking?

And oh, by the way, why in the world did Trump hire girls under the age of 18 to work in the spa at MAL??? If what you’re looking for is a legit massage to loosen up the muscles, someone older/larger/trained and certified is what a premier resort would hire. The type of premier resort Trump pretends he runs.

Why was Mar-a-Lago hiring such young girls to work in its spa in the first place? Was that even legal?

you still don’t want underage girls running around where wealthy men accustomed to having anything they want, anytime they want are walking around wearing only a towel.

If the customers are pervs, they’ll quickly come up with ideas that are a) illegal b) harmful to your staff and c) puts the spa in a lot of legal liability. If the customers are not pervs, I think it would make them very uncomfortable to have underage girls working there.

held as a teenager - grocery store bagger, concession stand at a movie theater, and Sizzler. I can't imagine her working at a spa at a high end club and I can't imagine what kind of club would hire someone that young. Really creepy.

before I was old enough to drink. Had to grab one of the older waitresses to deliver drinks anytime anyone ordered a beer. Weird and suspicious that a so-called high end club would hire girls that young to work in the spa.

as a massage therapist. Not sure what the law was in 2,000 but I'll try again tomorrow to find out.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/0480.041

480.041 Massage therapists; qualifications; licensure; endorsement.—
(1) Any person is qualified for licensure as a massage therapist under this act who:
(a) Is at least 18 years of age or has received a high school diploma or high school equivalency diploma;

but then I saw this eye-popping quote from “a source at Mar-a-Lago” in a story from 2007:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143503895#post7

They are reporting the events happened in 2,000. Virginia's Wikipedia page gives her birth day as August 9, 1983. That would make here no younger than 17.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre

But whoever called that quote in to Page Six, really, really wanted to create the impression that it was an 18 year old.

why would TSF care about an underaged girl (who didn't have work papers) who worked at the spa going to work for another job?

I could understand some resentment if it had been a manager of Marl-A-Lago who oversaw operations of the property and the business. And even that could be allowed under Employment Law, save for a contract and/or a contract for non-competition.

But a girl doing a brainless job of replacing towels in a spa?

If you're going to lie, make it believable.

That sick fuck was probably grooming them for his own perversions. We know, like his best buddy Jeff, that he also likes them “on the young side”. Sickening. The whole world is asking how the American people ever let this disgusting malignant clown ascend to the highest office in the land. Twice.

They are asking, "What in the holy fuck is wrong with Americans!"

Because they know that this turd did not just walk into the White House and claim power.

at Mar-a-Lago?

Dude is looking guilty as hell

Of truth. I believe Virgina Giuffre worked there at one time.

One of the case experts on msnbc immediately said it’s a lie.

You know how on a criminal interrogation, the criminal keeps coming up with lame explanations for what they did? That’s what this is.

Cant trust anything you read these days

Yr 2000: Virginia is recruited away from MAL
Yr 2002: Trump says JE is a great guy who likes his girls young
Yr 2004: No longer are the perverts BFFs

If Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein was sex trafficking underage women, did that make him an accomplice to the crime?

poach
/pōCH/
verb

illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own or in contravention of official protection.

And why do I think this or these businesses were international criminal operations and had ties
to Putin?

From handing out towels to going to work for Epstein is a stretch. Epstein’s businesses were:
1) Sex Trafficking
2) Blackmail and kompromat (see Putin)
3) Money laundering ….. just one of Epstein’s bank accounts had 1.1 billion in transfers
including deposits from Trump.

I know the term is commonly used, but it's especially gross here. You are poaching when you take game on someone elses hunting grounds.

It's probably more accurate here than otherwise. But I HATE the language we use that suggest employess belong to their companies.

it shows how little he values women/girls, treating them like objects or animals to be "poached". A legitimate employer would saying something to the affect of "she worked for me and he lured her away with a better offer if she would come work for him."

I am in a competitive industry and the term IS used when one company goes after another company's valuable employees. But yeah, it suggests property and ownership. And when applied to young women, it's especially disgusting.

underage, minors, children, not adult women.

They were both agents for Putin.

Is that what im hearing? He groomed the kids before he sent them on the pedo plane?

The pedophile literally helped epstein with sex trafficking.

doesn't necessarily help his cause.

had a predilection for 'younger' girls. He has been on record (for a long time, and more or less openly) saying so.

Hell, by the HOUR.

Ya, right!!!