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lees1975

(6,765 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2025, 11:42 PM Aug 18

Ukraine deserves much more than it is getting from the United States

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2025/08/what-ukraine-needs-and-deserves-from.html

Ukraine has struggled to free itself from the terrible oppression and sucking dry of its natural resources by Russia for most of its existece. It's geography, which include flat, fertile, moist plains that have the seasonal ability to grow most of the food Russia needs to survive, and its location along the strategic Black Sea coast, which is Russia's main ice-free access to the Atlantic Ocean, have given it the disadvantage of having suffered under Russian domination, Czarist or Communist, both totalitarian, for much of its existence. So when the opportunity afforded itself, and the Soviet Union collapsed, the areas that are part of the historic territory of Ukraine united under a democracy for the first time in over a thousand years.

So when the rarest of rare opportunities came for the Ukrainian people to declare independence on August 24, 1991, they did it. The boundaries of the country reflect all areas where the majority of the population affirmed the declaration by referendum, and this was followed by recognition of 68 countries before the end of 1991. What occurred then is therefore legal, and recognized, establishing a border around a country that is entitled to exist independently, and whose sovereignty should be defended by other countries including the superpower United States.

The United States needs to take the lead in establishing a just peace by pressuring Russia to accept a treaty that includes the following:

The restoration of all territory within the boundaries of Ukraine established on August 24, 1991, including the Donbas, and the Crimea to the Ukrainian national government.
The recognition, by Russia, of Ukraine's sovereignty, and of its independence, which includes its right to pursue membership in the NATO alliance.
Resolution of all of the issues regarding access of the Russian navy to Ukraine's Black Sea ports, including Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula.
The return of all war prisoners, along with the Ukrainian civilians, mostly children, who have been kidnapped and spirited off into Russia.
Reparations equal to the amount of war damage inflicted on Ukrainian property during the war.
A treaty establishing permanent peace between Russia and Ukraine.
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Ukraine deserves much more than it is getting from the United States (Original Post) lees1975 Aug 18 OP
Thanks for this post. Deuxcents Aug 18 #1
They do indeed samplegirl Aug 19 #2
Thanks for sharing this. yellow dahlia Aug 19 #3
Ukraine deserves nothing less than to be restored to what it was before Russia attacked. lees1975 Aug 21 #4

lees1975

(6,765 posts)
4. Ukraine deserves nothing less than to be restored to what it was before Russia attacked.
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 12:26 AM
Aug 21

Militarily, Russia has proven to be weak and ineffective against a country that, theoretically, they should have over-run in a couple of weeks. Even so, military conquest doesn't come with the right to annex territory. In this case it was aggression, pure and simple, and to give them an inch of territory would be to give in to the bully. There is no reason to do that. Even in Luhansk and Donetsk, in the Donbas region, where there is a larger Russian=speaking population than anywhere else in Ukraine, the referendum showed a majority of the population preferred to be free under Ukrainian government than to not be free under the Russian dictatorship.

The boundaries of Ukraine, which were established and recognized internationally within a few months of its independence declaration, are also supported historically and traditionally as a province under the Czar, and then as one of the Soviet republics. This included Oblasts in the west, around Lviv, Ternopol, Lutsk, Vlodomir, and Uzhhorod, taken from Poland by the Soviet Union and compensated by the Soviets taking territory east of the Oder River, including Silesia and East Prussia, that had been part of Germany, and giving it to the displaced Polish population. Being under Ukrainian rule must have its advantages, since most of the Moldovans, Slovaks, Hungarians, Poles and Romanians who make up the minority ethnicities in the Ukrainian west vote in high percentages to support the national government. So, apparently, does the Russian minority.

If Russia is not made to provide reparations for the damages to Ukrainian property they inflicted, the bully wins. That's how it goes.

The US, backed by European Union and NATO, could draft a treaty requiring Russia get out of Ukraine, guarantee the peace and provide compensation for damages with not a lot of fuss. Pull the plug and make sanctions work, instead of letting Russia get around them, and they'd be at the negotiating table in less than a week. The threats would stop and Russia, snarling and grumbling, would leave

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