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sop

(15,939 posts) Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:28 PM Wednesday

'Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths 'Unfortunately' Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment'

(Newsweek) "Charlie Kirk, the conservative founder and president of Turning Point USA, said during an organizational event on Wednesday that gun deaths in exchange for the preservation of Second Amendment rights is part of America's reality."

"Kirk's comments come about one week after three children and three adults were killed at the Christian Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee."

"The Nashville mass shooting was the 130th mass shooting in the United States in 2023, according to the Gun Violence Archive, an online database of gun violence incidents across America using data collected from law enforcement, media, government and commercial sources...The U.S. has averaged more than one mass shooting per day since the start of 2023, per the archive, which puts the nation on track to exceed the 647 recorded mass shootings of 2022."

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https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

Looks like Charlie gave his life in defense of the 2A.

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'Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths 'Unfortunately' Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment' (Original Post) sop Wednesday OP

on edit: didn't know he was shot CurtEastPoint Wednesday #1

Live by violent rhetoric, die by violent rhetoric DinahMoeHum Wednesday #2

Ironic to Say the Least MrWowWow Wednesday #3

No, that's the thing, he didn't even give his life to defend the 2nd Am; he merely RockRaven Wednesday #4

Those who preach hate or who support intolerance in any form are evil people. walkingman Wednesday #5

does that include people who shoot folk they don't like? Skittles Wednesday #7

Of course it does. Tolerance of political violence is a self-perpetuating vicious cycle. walkingman Wednesday #8

thank you Skittles Wednesday #10

eppur_se_muova posted this usonian Wednesday #6

Common sense gun laws in no way infringes on the 2nd Amendment. walkingman Wednesday #9

I'm so old. HOW OLD ARE YOU? I'm so old that I remember when military grade weapons were illegal for civilians. usonian Wednesday #11

😁 I will be 75 in Dec. Yes, for some reason we have become infatuated with guns. walkingman Wednesday #12

It's the work of the gun industry and NRA owning congress and courts. usonian Wednesday #13

Tell his wife and family. Du916 Wednesday #15

Saint Charlie Kirk yankee87 Wednesday #14

CurtEastPoint

(19,649 posts)

1. on edit: didn't know he was shot

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Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:30 PM

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DinahMoeHum

(23,162 posts)

2. Live by violent rhetoric, die by violent rhetoric

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Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:30 PM

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MrWowWow

(1,125 posts)

3. Ironic to Say the Least

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Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:30 PM

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Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)

And no, this is not
tr💩mp's "Reichstag Fire moment.". It is a failed distraction from the Epstein Files!
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RockRaven

(17,960 posts)

4. No, that's the thing, he didn't even give his life to defend the 2nd Am; he merely

Reply to sop (Original post)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:32 PM

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asserted that it was a rational trade, and disparaged those of us who think otherwise.

Well, perhaps I should respect his rationality and not be upset, outraged, or whatever irrational-adjacent label he would have used for my usual reaction to gun killings...

walkingman

(9,806 posts)

5. Those who preach hate or who support intolerance in any form are evil people.

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Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:34 PM

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Skittles

(167,280 posts)

7. does that include people who shoot folk they don't like?

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Wed Sep 10, 2025, 07:10 PM

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walkingman

(9,806 posts)

8. Of course it does. Tolerance of political violence is a self-perpetuating vicious cycle.

Reply to Skittles (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 07:36 PM

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Skittles

(167,280 posts)

10. thank you

Reply to walkingman (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:11 PM

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you get it

usonian

(20,329 posts)

6. eppur_se_muova posted this

Reply to sop (Original post)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:37 PM

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Kinda says a lot.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220624295

walkingman

(9,806 posts)

9. Common sense gun laws in no way infringes on the 2nd Amendment.

Reply to usonian (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:03 PM

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usonian

(20,329 posts)

11. I'm so old. HOW OLD ARE YOU? I'm so old that I remember when military grade weapons were illegal for civilians.

Reply to walkingman (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:20 PM

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Speaking of Epstein, some of our "foundling fathers" (sic, abandoned by the "mother country" ) had a few escapades of the Hellfire Club variety.

Impeach the short-sighted fools. Wikipedia mentions "rakes". Apt.

walkingman

(9,806 posts)

12. 😁 I will be 75 in Dec. Yes, for some reason we have become infatuated with guns.

Reply to usonian (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:53 PM

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I grew up with guns and never thought that much about it. I live in the country and still have several guns for varmints, and deer rifles and shotgun I've accumulated over the years. The proliferation of handguns, assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, are all a modern era things and I think are insane and makes the world a lot less safe.