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marmar

(80,431 posts)
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 08:43 AM 9 hrs ago

Texas Republicans may regret mandating Bible in classes


Texas Republicans may regret mandating Bible in classes
Debating Christianity in class will likely create more non-believers

By Amanda Marcotte
Senior Writer
Published July 1, 2026 6:45AM (EDT)


(Salon) The decades-long Republican quest to force Christianity on those they see as unwashed heathens reached a new low on June 26, when the GOP-controlled Texas State School Board put Bible stories on mandatory reading lists for every level of public school student. The decision is disturbing on many levels, starting with the outright disinformation being used to justify this move by people in charge of educating children.

“Our nation was founded as a Christian nation,” board member Brandon Hall insisted during a Thursday news conference.

It’s unclear if Hall is lying or has deluded himself, but there is no excuse for indulging this falsehood about the founders, who clearly forbade the “establishment of religion” in the Constitution and repeatedly emphasized separation of church and state. It’s no surprise where this is coming from, either. The school board hired David Barton, a discredited writer who falsely claims to be a historian, as an adviser. Barton has no training and less than zero credibility, having been caught repeatedly peddling easily disproved lies. But because Republicans are pleased by his intellectually dishonest interpretation of America’s past, they continue to choose his nonsense over actual history developed by real scholars.

This is Christian nationalism in a nutshell. The use of Barton by the GOP and the Texas State School Board is not about faith or belief; it’s about power. Specifically, it’s about pushing their belief that certain people — white right-wing Christians — are the “real” Americans. In practice, it means that everyone else deserves second-class status. Forcing kids to read Bible passages signals to anyone outside the white, evangelical tribe that they don’t belong, which is a grotesque violation of American values of equality and freedom.

It’s also likely to backfire on the religious right. They better hope that the kids skip the assigned reading, much less actual discussion and debate about it in class. As many an ex-evangelical can tell you, direct exposure to what the Bible actually says is often the first step to walking away from Christian fundamentalism altogether. ................(more)

https://www.salon.com/2026/07/01/texas-republicans-may-regret-mandating-bible-in-classes/






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Texas Republicans may regret mandating Bible in classes (Original Post) marmar 9 hrs ago OP
And has Texas selected WHICH parts of the Bible should be "taught" no_hypocrisy 9 hrs ago #1
Oh Lawdy, it's getting HOT in here..... Blue Owl 9 hrs ago #3
Needless to say radical noodle 8 hrs ago #5
Pity . . . . . no_hypocrisy 8 hrs ago #6
And snakes don't talk, and Shoeless Louis 7 hrs ago #10
Adam and Eve is on the list radical noodle 6 hrs ago #24
So many brilliant teaching opportunities! jmbar2 9 hrs ago #2
I don't think their intent on mandating the Bible in class has any room for thoughtful student debate ToxMarz 8 hrs ago #4
It ain't necessarily so. usonian 7 hrs ago #7
I never saw that Cab Calloway performance! 70sEraVet 6 hrs ago #23
This is mind boggling on so many levels. flashman13 6 hrs ago #25
I'd be in favor of making this required listening/viewing Wiz Imp 7 hrs ago #8
Just start with Lot and his daughters. It will be banned before you know it. Blue Full Moon 7 hrs ago #9
Wouldn't it be fun to don your Harry Potter invisibility cloak... 3catwoman3 7 hrs ago #13
And yet the Texas GOP is supporting Paxton (crook and adulterer) over Tallarico. surfered 7 hrs ago #11
+1. And Donald Trump. dalton99a 7 hrs ago #17
Wheaton College, in Wheaton IL, is extremely fundamental... 3catwoman3 7 hrs ago #12
Teenagers love sex, not Jesus dalton99a 7 hrs ago #14
Just so you know I am a Catholic and believe that what the idiots in charge of my state are doing is wrong TexLaProgressive 7 hrs ago #15
My 13-year old granddaughter sobbed when she heard about this. Trueblue Texan 7 hrs ago #16
My niece and her husband just did the same last year FakeNoose 6 hrs ago #19
Has this been taken to court yet? If not, why not? Seems blatantly un-constitutional. nt wiggs 7 hrs ago #18
Well, be careful what you wish for. Wednesdays 6 hrs ago #22
I talked with my daughter about this... Trueblue Texan 5 hrs ago #29
WHICH VERSION OF THE BIBLE? Jimvanhise 6 hrs ago #20
Imagine there's no religion. It's easy and you don't even have to try. twodogsbarking 6 hrs ago #21
No hell below us radical noodle 6 hrs ago #26
When Will We Ever Learn. twodogsbarking 6 hrs ago #27
Now there's my idea of heaven! nt Trueblue Texan 5 hrs ago #30
My heaven would be Trump in hell. Hot in Tx? twodogsbarking 4 hrs ago #32
"Children, we have a real treat for you in Bible study Ilsa 6 hrs ago #28
yeah, soon they'll require menstruating girls to stay home from school! Trueblue Texan 5 hrs ago #31
They ignore the actual teachings contained in both the Bible and the Constitution. They're Charlatans. ChicagoTeamster 2 hrs ago #33
keep that delusional nonsense where it belongs Skittles 1 hr ago #34

no_hypocrisy

(55,792 posts)
1. And has Texas selected WHICH parts of the Bible should be "taught"
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 08:49 AM
9 hrs ago

in public schools? Old Testament? New Testament? Both? Book of Revelations?

Song of Solomon
Mutual Praise of Bodies (Chapters 4 & 7): The lovers extensively admire each other's physical beauty. The man describes the woman's belly as a "heap of wheat" and her breasts as "like two fawns". The woman playfully compares the man to a fragrant apple tree, noting that his legs are "pillars of marble set on bases of pure gold".

Sensual Metaphors (Chapter 4:16 - 5:1): The lovers compare their intimate acts to a private, fertile garden filled with spices. The man says, "I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk". This is frequently interpreted as metaphorical descriptions of oral sex and physical ecstasy.

Intoxicating Kisses (Chapter 1:2-4, 7: 9): The woman is unabashed about her desire for her lover, opening the book by asking for a kiss, stating that his love is "more delightful than wine". Later, she speaks of their kisses as gliding "smoothly over lips and teeth".

The "Garden" of Love (Chapter 7:11-12): The lovers invite each other away to the countryside and vineyards, where the woman promises, "There I will give you my love".

no_hypocrisy

(55,792 posts)
6. Pity . . . . .
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 09:59 AM
8 hrs ago

What about Lot's daughters getting him drunk and then committing biblical incest? (An Oldie but a Goodie)

radical noodle

(10,751 posts)
24. Adam and Eve is on the list
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:52 AM
6 hrs ago

Obviously, because it teaches that women are simply here as helpers to men.

jmbar2

(8,279 posts)
2. So many brilliant teaching opportunities!
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 08:56 AM
9 hrs ago

You could create a behavioral checklist of the 10 and score current politicians, particularly the ones who pushed so hard for these laws. Debate individual commandments where there is no consensus = does he/she, or doesn't s/he and why do you think that.

Then look at biblical punishments for violations. What should be punishments for violating each commandment?



ToxMarz

(3,198 posts)
4. I don't think their intent on mandating the Bible in class has any room for thoughtful student debate
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 09:49 AM
8 hrs ago

on the matter. That's not how indoctrination works.

flashman13

(2,652 posts)
25. This is mind boggling on so many levels.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:54 AM
6 hrs ago

FYI This is from the Gershwin opera Porgy and Bess which was controversial from its inception. White people didn't like it because it was about black people. Black people didn't like it because it was a view of black people as seen by white people.

Ed Sullivan was a Sunday night ritual in my childhood. It was "family" friendly show. I don't see how this performance got past the censors. Black people having fun dissing the bible. OMG! There was a major uproar from the right wing when Sullivan showcased The Beatles.

Wiz Imp

(10,872 posts)
8. I'd be in favor of making this required listening/viewing
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 10:22 AM
7 hrs ago

https://meettheresidents.fandom.com/wiki/Wormwood
The Bible
The word Bible means "book". In about 100 C.E. Christian scholars collected writings about the prophet, Jesus of Nazareth. Selecting certain texts, eliminating others, they canonized what is now the New Testament. This they combined with the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, to give a historical and philosophical context for their new teaching.

While the Old Testament introduces us to the Israelite God, YHWH, as a dark figure bringing death whenever he appears, Jesus revolutionized the concept of God as a father figure.

All Bibles are translations of translations of no longer existing original writings and, unavoidably, reflect the politics and religious prejudices of the organization paying the cost of the translation.

Today, many narrow-minded people wield the Bible as some sort of razor with which to slash their enemies. Allowing those people to decide what is important in the Bible is dangerous to the freedom of individual thought. Though some of the Bible is abysmal and boring, much of it is entertaining and important reading.

The Residents have tackled this book in all its complexity without the responsibility of the scholar. Though many months have gone into research, the intent of the music and lyrics remain within the realm of the inspired poet.

The stories and ideas represented here are definitely in the Bible. The desire is to neither vilify nor sanctify the book, but to allow it to be humanized. For the Bible to be looked upon as spiritually uplifting is good and useful, but that view overlooks the Bible's abundant images of plague, torture and cruelty. It is this dichotomy that gives balance and substance to the book. Without both, the dark and the light, there is no measure of either, only the bland reassurances that pass for organized religion today.

- Uncle Willie[Note 1]


Background of the songs frrom the studio album.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood:_Curious_Stories_from_the_Bible
"In the Beginning" - (2:57) is about the creation of the Earth and is entirely instrumental. (Genesis 1-3)
"Fire Fall" - (3:34) is about Lot escaping from Sodom and watching his wife turn to salt. (Genesis 19)
"They Are the Meat" - (2:40) is about Ezekiel's visions whilst he is forced to eat only bread and sleep on his side. (Ezekiel 4:4-15, 8-11)
"Melancholy Clumps" - (1:48) is about Noah building the Ark. (Genesis 6-8)
"How to Get a Head" - (4:05) tells us the tale of Salome requesting the head of John the Baptist. (Mark 6:17-29)
"Cain and Abel" - (3:34) tells us the story of the jealous Cain killing his brother Abel. (Genesis 4)
"Mr. Misery" - (2:19) is about Jeremiah and his suffering. (Jeremiah, Lamentations)
"Tent Peg in the Temple" - (2:54) is about the killing of Sisera. (Judges 4-5)
"God's Magic Finger" - (2:41) is about the story of King Belshazzar. (Daniel 5)
"Spilling the Seed" - (2:44) is about the story of Onan. (Genesis 38)
"Dinah and the Unclean Skin" - (2:52) is about the story of Dinah. (Genesis 34)
"Bathsheba Bathes" - (2:52) is about King David and Bathsheba. (2 Samuel 11)
"Bridegroom of Blood" - (4:57) is about Moses being attacked by God and his wife Zipporah intervening by performing circumcision on their baby. (Exodus 4:24-26)
"Hanging by His Hair" - (2:33) tells us the story of Absalom and his death. (2 Samuel 13: 20-30, 16: 20-22, 18: 9-15)
"The Seven Ugly Cows" - (2:34) is about Joseph and his visions. (Genesis 39-41)
"Burn, Baby Burn" - (2:59) tells us the story of Jephthah sacrificing his daughter. (Judges 11:31-40)
"KILL HIM!" - (2:39) is the story of God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac and gives us an insight into his possible thoughts. (Genesis 22)
"I Hate Heaven" - (2:50) is based on the Song of Solomon. (The Song of Solomon)
"Judas Saves" - (3:55) is told from the point of view of Judas Iscariot. This song proposes that Judas's betrayal of Jesus was necessary so that people could have their sins forgiven. It also proposes that Judas had been told by God to do so. (Compare the theories put forth by the protagonist of Jorge Luis Borges' short story "Three Versions of Judas", and the Gospel of Judas.) (Mark 14:17-46)
"Revelation" - (5:38) is an instrumental inspired by the Book of Revelation, chapters 4-22. (Revelation 4-22)

3catwoman3

(30,252 posts)
13. Wouldn't it be fun to don your Harry Potter invisibility cloak...
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:01 AM
7 hrs ago

...and watch that discussion?

3catwoman3

(30,252 posts)
12. Wheaton College, in Wheaton IL, is extremely fundamental...
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:00 AM
7 hrs ago

...and declares right on their main web page that they believe Adam and Eve to be the founding parents of the entire human race.

They have a large biology department with extensive course offerings. I often wished I could ask one of their bio faculty members to explain how Adam and Eve could have founded the whole human race without committing incest with their children and their children doing likewise with each other. Where did the women their sons married come from?

The reason I know about Wheaton is because of soccer. Our sons both played soccer at Carthage College, which is in the same athletic conference as Wheaton. It used to piss me off when the Wheaton team would gather all the players to the center of the field after a game to participate in a prayer circle. They did this at both home and away games. If that's what you want to do on your own campus, OK, fine, if you must. At an away game, keep it to yourself. Very presumptuous.

TexLaProgressive

(12,852 posts)
15. Just so you know I am a Catholic and believe that what the idiots in charge of my state are doing is wrong
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:07 AM
7 hrs ago

Here is what I weaned out of the large list of possible recommended reading most of which are fiction, non fiction, fables and mytthology.
Grade 3 - Luke 10:29-37 ICB - International Children’s Bible- Good Samaritan
The Road to Damascus - evidently a State of Texas publication
Grade 4 - Genesis 6  -21, 7:6-10, 17-20. 8:1-4, 8-10,15-19 ICB The floood
Grade 6 - Matthew 6:25-34 ESV English Standard Version Do not worry about your life
Grade 7 - 1 Corinthians 13 ESV Paul on love 
23rd Psalm KJV King James Version The Lord is my shepherd
Grade 8 - Matthew 5:1-12 KJV Beatitudes
English I - 1 Samuel 117 NIRV New International Readers VersionDavid and Goliath
Lamentations 3 NIRV Suffering of the prophet and his people
English II - Genesis 1:1-9 NIRV Beginning of the 1st creation story
English III Ecclesiastes 3 KJV There is a time...
English IV - Job Chapters 1-7, 11, 14, 19,28, 38-42 NIRV Much of the book of Job

Trueblue Texan

(4,719 posts)
16. My 13-year old granddaughter sobbed when she heard about this.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:11 AM
7 hrs ago

Later that day my daughter told me they will likely be moving to Colorado or Washington next year

FakeNoose

(43,136 posts)
19. My niece and her husband just did the same last year
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:18 AM
6 hrs ago

She was a life-long Houston native, but now she's married with 2 young boys. They packed up and moved to Denver, Colorado last year and couldn't be happier. Besides politics, it was so much else, including educational opportunities, job opportunities, weather and environment, and general satisfaction with their lives.

Your daughter and her family will never regret the move, I'm sure of it.

wiggs

(8,879 posts)
18. Has this been taken to court yet? If not, why not? Seems blatantly un-constitutional. nt
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:15 AM
7 hrs ago

Wednesdays

(23,508 posts)
22. Well, be careful what you wish for.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:28 AM
6 hrs ago

WIth the corrupt six on the SCOTUS, anything can happen.

Trueblue Texan

(4,719 posts)
29. I talked with my daughter about this...
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 12:41 PM
5 hrs ago

...and I need to do further research. I can't name the case, but SCOTUS recently had a ruling that requires cases be brought individually re constitutionality of cases like this and like the 10 Commandments being posted in classrooms. Even though the court ruled mandating the 10 Commandments to be posted, my daughter's school still has them posted because her district was not part of the suit. Someone will have to bring a suit in her district to have them removed. This sounds totally F-ed up to me, but I haven't done the research. I am certain someone will file against the state board of education's most recent mandate of teaching the Bible, but it won't be her district.

Jimvanhise

(619 posts)
20. WHICH VERSION OF THE BIBLE?
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 11:18 AM
6 hrs ago

I once saw a debate between a Catholic and a born again Christian and the Catholic explained that the Bible is not a history book but a book a parables expressing religious beliefs and that the story of Noah's Ark should not be read literally.

Ilsa

(64,770 posts)
28. "Children, we have a real treat for you in Bible study
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 12:02 PM
6 hrs ago

today. Turn to Leviticus, Chapter 1, every schoolboy's favorite dirty book."

Trueblue Texan

(4,719 posts)
31. yeah, soon they'll require menstruating girls to stay home from school!
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 12:43 PM
5 hrs ago

Won't that be a hoot!?

ChicagoTeamster

(1,497 posts)
33. They ignore the actual teachings contained in both the Bible and the Constitution. They're Charlatans.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 03:27 PM
2 hrs ago

They know that their followers are too lazy to investigate and catch this and the leaders are all in on the grifts and the power grabs.

Skittles

(173,693 posts)
34. keep that delusional nonsense where it belongs
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 05:09 PM
1 hr ago

OUTSIDIE of the classroom and OUTSIDE of government

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