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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsOasis borrowed from T.Rex's Get It On for Cigarettes & Alcohol, but rocked much harder. Earthshakingly harder.
Video comparing the start of both studio tracks:
Cigarettes & Alcohol was the 4th single from their first album in 1994, then the fastest-selling debut in UK history:
And this banger still gets the greatest response from their fans, shaking stadiums, and noticeable at a distance - as it was in Edinburgh several weeks ago.
https://www.aol.co.uk/entertainment/oasis-gig-murrayfield-more-ground-121950810.html
https://www.bgs.ac.uk/news/oasis-revealed-as-scottish-capitals-most-seismic-concert/
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highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)Compare these two:
Also these two:
The reply above was originally at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220685585#post1
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)
speak easy
(12,421 posts)It’s quintessential rock’n’roll.
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)Article about how the term came into use:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stuart-maconie-britpop-anniversary-more-3390694
Guitar music was no longer the realm of the awkward indie kids.
Oasis fans were labourers, office workers, football lads in replica tops, much like the band.
Only three years after playing to a few dozen kids in Manchester, the band were playing to a quarter of a million people at Knebworth in 1996.
Oasis never fit with the others. Their rock lineage was Beatles > Sex Pistols > Stone Roses. It was ludicrous to compare them to Blur.
speak easy
(12,421 posts)Beatles > Ziggy Stardust > Sex Pistols > Stone Roses.
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)both Bowie and Bolan, influenced Oasis. Bowie and Bolan's harder rock music did, anyway - not the costumes and theatre.
speak easy
(12,421 posts)was definitely a improvement. Noel (but I’m not sure about Liam) would not be seen dead in the like.
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)been caught dead in glam costumes, either.
speak easy
(12,421 posts)
A lot of working class kids dressed in shiny colorful over the top costumes, starting with this lot from Liverpool
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)Their wardrobes are casual. Sportswear. Some of it very expensive, but still sportswear.
You're talking about a singer who appeared at Glastonbury in 1995 dressed like this
and Wembley in 2000 wearing a denim jacket over a hoodie,
and who's worn a parka for every night of this reunion tour so far.
speak easy
(12,421 posts)What I meant is if Liam and Noel were climbing out of poverty in the early '70s, I could see Liam wearing Glam. A lot of working class front men were doing that at the time.
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)and been influenced by '60s and '70s fashion instead of late '80s Madchester and the Stone Roses.
We'll never know.
But given Noel and Liam's interest in football (soccer) - more of an interest than any glam rock stars I can think of offhand - I'd guess they'd still favor sportswear and be much more likely to wear denim onstage (basic denin, workmanlike, not something tarted up) instead of any glam costume. No way would they dress like Bowie or Bolan.
Can't picture them liking the foppish Edwardian revival clothing some rock groups favored in the late '60s and early '70s, either. Too pretentious.
speak easy
(12,421 posts)(It was a different era)
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)And I still think the Gallaghers would have laughed at costumes like that.
underpants
(193,373 posts)You're an essay in glamor
Please pardon the grammar
But you're every schoolboy's dream
You're Celtic, United, but baby, I've decided
You're the best team I've ever seen
speak easy
(12,421 posts)The principal riff is all one note, and the next three notes = 12 bar blues.
LudwigPastorius
(13,539 posts)Why, when the song started, was almost the entire crowd turned with their backs to the stage?
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)team supported by Oasis.
From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pozna%C5%84
The Poznań celebration involves the fans turning their backs to the pitch, joining arms and jumping up and down in unison.[1] In Poland, and among many fans across Europe, it is not called "the Poznań" but is known as a "Grecque", and it is performed by fans of many teams.[2] Despite initially failing to impress Manchester City fans when it was done during the teams' meeting in the UEFA Europa League group stage on 21 October 2010, it was subsequently adopted by City supporters during a game early the following month.[3] The activity was coined "The Poznań" by Manchester City fans, in homage to the club that inspired them to celebrate in this way. The Poznań was briefly adopted by other English football supporters, notably those of Leicester City after their clash with Manchester City in the third round of the FA Cup in January 2011,[4] and is referred to by English football fans as "doing the Poznań".[5]
Initially, the supporters group of Australian club Western Sydney Wanderers, The Red and Black Bloc, performed it in the 80th minute of matches to represent the first football match played in Western Sydney in 1880. Subsequently, this has grown into an all stadium celebration.[6]
The celebration has also been used at events such as concerts. During Oasis's Live '25 Tour, the band asked fans in attendance to do the Poznań during performances of the song "Cigarettes & Alcohol".[7]
It's a wonder Oasis can get so many of their fans to take their eyes off the stage.
And honestly, there's no real reason to ask them to turn their backs to the stage, if this originated "as a protest against club management while still supporting the team" since they're not protesting Oasis management.
But Liam's been getting most of them to turn around anyway.
The Poznan wasn't adopted in Manchester until after Oasis broke up in 2009, so this tour was their first chance to use it.
But their fans have been pogoing like mad to that song since the '90s. Knebworth, August 11, 1996:
LudwigPastorius
(13,539 posts)My knowledge of UEFA football, and its fandom, is tiny to non-existent.
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)underpants
(193,373 posts)T Rex in this case but definitely The Beatles. Multiple references in their songs but “Don’t Look Back In Anger” especially.
highplainsdem
(58,500 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 5, 2025, 10:18 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/beatles-5-boldest-rip-offs-54145/From the "Revolution" intro to the "I Feel Fine" riff, here are five times when the Fab Four swiped musical material from their influences
By Gavin Edwards
December 23, 2015
Accused of exploiting other artists’ songs in the Beatles, John Lennon defended himself by saying, “It wasn’t a rip-off; it was a love-in.” Paul McCartney’s take: “We pinch as much from other people as they pinch from us.”
“In the early years, I’d often carry around someone else’s song in my head,” Lennon said. “And only when I’d put it down on tape — because I can’t write music — would I consciously change it to my own melody, because I knew that otherwise somebody would sue me.” Perhaps the best example of the Beatles transforming a piece of music is in “Because”: It was drawn from Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata, but Lennon reversed the chord progression and then mutated it into something else.
While the Beatles drew inspiration from artists both famous and obscure, they almost always made whatever they were borrowing into something new, because they were a creative group of lads and because they were careful to cover their tracks. That’s almost always. Here’s five examples where their pinches got more blatant.
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The Beatles had four songwriters, too, and tons of help from a genius producer, George Martin, so they'd be more likely to catch anything derivative and rework it.
Except for a handful of songs from his brother Liam and other band members, Noel Gallagher wrote all the songs for Oasis himself. They'd be finished before anyone else in the band could notice something derivative Noel had missed.
And Noel's very open about having been influenced by other artists. He did go way overboard lifting a song from a Coke commercial for Shakermaker, but I believe Coke got about half a million dollars for that, and there weren't any hard feelings since they used another Oasis song later for a Coke commercial.
As for this song...
I've always loved Get It On. My very favorite T.Rex song. One of my favorite songs ever. Brilliant - perfect - production. Tony Visconti is one of the greatest producers ever - like George Martin, a genius.
But if I compare Get It On to Cigarettes & Alcohol...
In terms of sound, Get It On would be a sleek little Vespa, purring along. Cigarettes & Alcohol is a Harley.
Get It On is more pop, while Cigarettes & Alcohol really rocks.
I can't imagine Get It On ever rocking a stadium the way Cigarettes & Alcohol does.
And the message of Cigarettes & Alcohol, about using those and cocaine to cope with dead-end jobs, hits much harder than Marc Bolan singing about his built-like-a-car girl with the blues in her shoes and her stockings.
underpants
(193,373 posts)A couple points.
I read “Old Gods Almost Dead” by Stephen Davis about The Stones. Great book. On 2 or more occasions Keef pulled a song off an album. He want sure if it was derivative or just something he picked up. He famously found the opening riff to “Satisfaction” on the tape recorder by his bed.
Years later, Keef hears a Stones song “Anybody Seen by Baby (Babylon 1997) on the radio. He’s sitting by the pool in his country estate with his kids playing in the pool. The kids are singing different lyrics. K. D. Lang had a very similar song called “Constant Craving”. It was an all Mick song. Keef was pissed.
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The Beatles, especially the early bubble gum pop stuff, were a bunch of kids who had everything drop in their laps. George was 2 weeks short of turning 21 when they were on Ed Sullivan. Musicians are about ideas and one idea can be used. When they got to albums, this Brian Wilson guy (who they loved) in America kept having new ideas. “Pet Sounds” was the fuel for the massive change from “Revolver” to “Sgt. Peppers”