Music Appreciation
Related: About this forumWhy don't black people like classical music?
I just L-O-O-V-V-E Beethoven, but his fifth symphony is not one of my favorites. I love his third, sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth symphonies, and all of his piano concertos, much more. Nevertheless, one of the local orchestras is going to perform the fifth symphony in a few days, so I got on YouTube and found a performance of that symphony by the Vienna Philharmonic. Watching and listening, I noticed something I often notice about classical music orchestras: THEY'RE ALL WHITE PEOPLE! Now I realize there are not a lot of black people in and around Vienna, but there are some. That city and country are not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT white. Yet, it seems that ALL of these European orchestras are one hundred percent white. Well, there are a few Asian people among them, but try to find a black or brown face. That goes for North American orchestras, too. Going to classical music concerts, as I often do, I see very few black people among the audiences too.
Is there some cultural reason why black people don't like classical music? Or are these orchestras practicing some kind of racism?
If I were the music director of one of these orchestras, I would launch a rigorous recruitment effort to try to get more black people into performing in these orchestras. This is something that has been bothering me for quite some time.
-- Ron
hlthe2b
(115,178 posts)'Kinda like the blanket statement I constantly heard about black people not liking to ski (or in some circles, to hike or do any outdoor activities not linked to organized sports. Again, lack of opportunities, I'd bet.
I didn't like any rap or hip-hip music until later in life. Just never really tried to like it, or hear it much over all the classic rock.
biophile
(1,683 posts)In orchestras and at classical music venues?
Its presumptive to assume black people dont like classical music.
I dont have the answers to either question- I just thought there might be a better way to frame the dilemma about why PoC are underrepresented in classical music as performers and among the audiences,
Easterncedar
(6,652 posts)Very culturally tone deaf for a music enthusiast. Perhaps you might try to rephrase what I assume was a well-intended notion with something less obviously an us versus them point of view.
LoisB
(13,753 posts)ballet. Maybe you should not make generalized assumptions. We don't all listen to only rap and R&B.
Bobstandard
(2,431 posts)Quincy Jones studied and composed classical music as did Mikes Davis, Herbie Hancock and others.
Lois, I'm sorry for the insensitivity of the original poster.
LoisB
(13,753 posts)observation to "all".
ZDU
(1,576 posts)Was this post meant to provoke?
I served in the Navy with a man who happened to be black and he loved classical music. So I find this original post to be offensive. That is all.
tonkatoy8888
(212 posts)As someone who grew up and worked in classical music I have some ideas.
Cutbacks in public school music programs. Children who don't have parents who are interested in and play music were introduced to instrumental music in school band/orchestra programs. If you had real talent, you were encouraged and many schools provided private instruction as well as ensemble classes. Lots of my classmates in conservatory entered the study of an instrument through public school education...both black and white. Were the numbers of black classmates in proportion to the general population? No, but I think it was a little better than today.
Cost, and cost is subjective. If a young student pursues private lessons with a good teacher and accomplished professional it can be expensive. A decade ago, when my child was in high school and studying with a member of a major symphony orchestra lessons were about $60-$70 a pop. Expensive? Yes, but I saw many of his classmates' families spend much more on elite traveling baseball and AAU basketball teams. So, I guess we spend on what we find important.
Orchestras, which I know best, try everything they can to do effective outreach to minority communities with varying degrees of success.
I'm a white person, so I can't speak for minorities, but think about black kids and baseball. When I was a kid, everyone played baseball. By the time my son was a kid it was rare to see a black child on a baseball team he played on. They had all shifted to football and basketball. So maybe it's just partly what interests them.
What I can say with some certainty is that there is no hostility in orchestra management or among orchestra members to minority participation. In fact, they try very hard to increase numbers.
Why don't black kids and adults listen to classical/concert music? Probably the same reason not many white kids and families don't listen. It's a niche interest in America.
I don't understand it. Good music is good music. I have an interest in lots of music. A Brahms symphony is just as big a rush to me as the Beatles, Miles Davis, or a great bluegrass band. All can make me want to rock or bring me to tears.