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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(119,997 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 09:30 PM Jan 24

A free California? Trump visits as initiative to leave U.S. cleared to gather signatures

LOS ANGELES – President Donald Trump, long a vocal detractor of California, touched down in Los Angeles on Friday to tour fire ravaged areas, pledging federal support after days of criticizing Democrats over the fires.

The visit came the day after a new ballot initiative asking voters whether the state should become an independent country was cleared by the California Secretary of State's office to begin gathering signatures.

Could the Golden State just fly the coop, become its own nation and walk away from 175 years of union with the United States?

After all, the idea of California becoming its own country has been around for decades. The state flag still commemorates the 25 days it was once its own republic. Even Gov. Gavin Newsom has slipped and called it a "nation state" more than a few times.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/country-california-could-state-largest-162645688.html

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A free California? Trump visits as initiative to leave U.S. cleared to gather signatures (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 24 OP
I'm sure Putin would like the US broken up. But the blue states would probably not miss the red states. diane in sf Jan 24 #1
Silly qazplm135 Jan 24 #2
It's not silly. One, referendum, Two, switch fed income tax payments to Sacramento. Magoo48 Jan 26 #14
Absolutely qazplm135 Jan 26 #17
This is dangerous Bread and Circuses Jan 24 #3
This is not feasible, and I wish people would stop writing about it (not you!). LauraInLA Jan 24 #4
It's feasible if the Constitution is amended to allow for withdrawal of a state. Now before you dismiss this, 3Hotdogs Jan 25 #10
I don't think they and the 3/4 state legs would support it, once they realized how much revenue they'd lose. LauraInLA Jan 25 #12
"realized," is the operative word. 3Hotdogs Jan 25 #13
Then, every progressive citizen best get off their asses and into some kind of direct action. Magoo48 Jan 26 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author LogDog75 Jan 28 #18
They wouldn't because they're dependent upon federal welfare LogDog75 Jan 28 #19
You and I understand that. But ask any goober/maggot and they will explain to you, 3Hotdogs Jan 28 #21
Post removed Post removed Jan 24 #5
You are terrible for saying that at a time like this! PortTack Jan 24 #6
He still needs our money dickthegrouch Jan 24 #7
Yes, all red states need California money kansasobama Jan 24 #9
Discussion about California is valid kansasobama Jan 24 #8
Yes, it is feasible. It begins with ignoring, rejecting, and resisting his every move. Magoo48 Jan 26 #16
Leave the country where Trump is Dictator. No brainer. twodogsbarking Jan 25 #11
As a Californian, I say NO! LogDog75 Jan 28 #20
I don't know what is best but I hope for it. twodogsbarking Jan 29 #22

diane in sf

(4,139 posts)
1. I'm sure Putin would like the US broken up. But the blue states would probably not miss the red states.
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 09:33 PM
Jan 24

qazplm135

(7,629 posts)
2. Silly
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 09:34 PM
Jan 24

No state is seceding. It's just as silly when blue states talk about it as when red states do.

Magoo48

(6,041 posts)
14. It's not silly. One, referendum, Two, switch fed income tax payments to Sacramento.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:07 AM
Jan 26

Look for west coast alliances.
If push comes to shove, and our freedom depends upon it?
I’m convinced that as a state we’ll be able to block much of his bullshit. Some states will have it much worse than we do. Who knows?

3Hotdogs

(13,968 posts)
10. It's feasible if the Constitution is amended to allow for withdrawal of a state. Now before you dismiss this,
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:12 AM
Jan 25

Every southern state would support such an amendment. I suspect that several western states and Alaska would join in.

Iowa? You bet'cha.
Utah? Probably
Texas? They're already talking about it.
The mainaics? If they're dumb enough to elect Susan, well....
W.V. Need I say more?
Ohio? Who did they just elect as senator?

LauraInLA

(1,763 posts)
12. I don't think they and the 3/4 state legs would support it, once they realized how much revenue they'd lose.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:14 PM
Jan 25

P.S. I also don’t think Dems would support it because CA is essential for any strength they have in Congress.

3Hotdogs

(13,968 posts)
13. "realized," is the operative word.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:45 PM
Jan 25

How many of them knew that Trump wouldn't be as bad as he is?

Magoo48

(6,041 posts)
15. Then, every progressive citizen best get off their asses and into some kind of direct action.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:18 AM
Jan 26

Consistent, massive, direct grassroots actions will be needed to save what’s left of our freedoms. 5 or 6 fighters in Congress can’t do it on their own.and, the general public has yet to show any willingness to be inconvenienced enough to save their own freedoms.

Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #10)

LogDog75

(320 posts)
19. They wouldn't because they're dependent upon federal welfare
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:36 PM
Jan 28


California and a number of other Blue states receive less money from the federal government than they give. Most, if not all Red states, depend upon the federal government to support their state budgets which is why they can claim to have lower state taxes. If they secede, then they would have to raise their taxes to make up for what the federal government provide. IOWs, those states like being welfare queens.

3Hotdogs

(13,968 posts)
21. You and I understand that. But ask any goober/maggot and they will explain to you,
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jan 28

how the iimegrints and welfare cheats are sucking off the gub'mint tit and real 'mericans are paying taxes to support the northern welfare states.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

dickthegrouch

(3,946 posts)
7. He still needs our money
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 11:22 PM
Jan 24

In 2023, California's gross domestic product (GDP) was about $3.9 trillion, comprising 14% of national GDP ($27.7 trillion). Texas and New York are the next largest state economies, at 9% and 8%, respectively. California's economy ranks fifth internationally, behind the US, China, Germany, and Japan.
https://www.ppic.org
California's Economy - Public Policy Institute of California

kansasobama

(1,683 posts)
9. Yes, all red states need California money
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 11:25 PM
Jan 24

California should play hard ball and put Trump on the defensive. A DC Bishop put Trump in his place. Why not California?

kansasobama

(1,683 posts)
8. Discussion about California is valid
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 11:23 PM
Jan 24

California does not have to secede in that manner. But, something has to give. California should fight for autonomy within US. In fact, the present arrangement with Trump or future Trumps as President is unacceptable. An autonomous California would be able to teach a lesson to MAGA states. The way the Constitution is, frankly. I don't see the current union feasible. Why not a Confederate States of United States? Do we want to be dictated but the MAGAs and uneducated uninformed masses? Constitution is way too inflexible for Amendment. We are fooling ourselves if we think we are in a functioning union if democracy is replaced by MAGA fascism. Yes, we could be in a banana Republic.

Czechs and Slovaks had a peaceful divorce. We are not even talking about divorce. We are talking about California being allowed to mind it's own business within the union.

LogDog75

(320 posts)
20. As a Californian, I say NO!
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:38 PM
Jan 28

It doesn't matter how bad things can get, we can weather it. It's more important for us to resist president dump and vote out all MAGAts out of office.

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