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Bluetus

(770 posts)
2. It is a global plan to isolate Trump
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 10:21 AM
Mar 1

And Trump will help by starting his unilateral trade war this week.

paleotn

(20,089 posts)
3. We deserve to be isolated as punishment for gross negligence in operating our democracy.
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 10:42 AM
Mar 1

Like a drunk driver, we've become a hazard for everyone. It's going to be painful for us but I think it's for the best. And as far as us, or the US, I don't really look at it in those terms anymore. I hate 1/3 of our citizens with the heat of a thousand suns. They stupidly threw away our democracy and trampled on what it means to be an American. Our ethos. For me, that's not reconcilable, ever. At this point, I don't give a shit what happens to them and their backwards red states. They can all go to hell. I feel that's exactly where they're headed. We'll go someplace else.

Justice matters.

(8,114 posts)
5. Yep. And to think a lot of them did it...
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 11:19 AM
Mar 1

because they believed the convicted felon's lies about him lowering the price of eggs on day 1...

Selfish gullible idiots.

Tansy_Gold

(18,110 posts)
7. Agreed 100%
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 11:34 AM
Mar 1

I have no pity for them, no mercy. I'm saving that for the people who tried to stop this by voting blue. They're (we're) gonna need it.

The rest of 'em can go pound sand.

(And yes, that includes the pretty little white lady who just wanted to have a baby. Sorry, I don't feel sorry for her at all.)

Bev54

(12,194 posts)
4. Trudeau is heading to London this am to meet with the Europeans and UK and Zelenskyy,
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 11:11 AM
Mar 1

regarding Ukraine. This was supposed to be just the Europeans but he was asked to attend after yesterdays absolute disgrace exhibited by the US pres and vice pres.

Bluetus

(770 posts)
8. Thanks for that update. Machinery is in motion.
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 02:16 PM
Mar 1

This is a very hopeful sign. It is abundantly clear now that all the western leaders are solidly of the view that Trump is a Putin asset and can no longer be flattered into doing the right thing. And the Western leaders know that they will have to take the lead, even if it it 180 degrees opposed to Trump.

It is both ominous and hopeful that Zelenskyy alluded to having some commitments to EU boots on the ground in Ukraine. It would be an escalation, and one that Putin will have to think long and hard about. Putin's big plan was to use Trump, lePen, and the other fascists to hobble NATO/EU. But just as Trump's belligerence is apparently leading to a reversal of support in favor of the liberals in Canada, Putin's intransigence could lead to an even greater military failure than he has already suffered, and a STRENGTHENING of European resolve.

Obviously Putin could escalate this into a nuclear conflict, safe in the knowledge that the US would not counter-attack. But the UK and France have considerable nuclear arsenals. Putin ought not to go there.

These will be some heavy talks this weekend, and this is all happening WITHOUT Trump. That is about the worst thing that can happen to Trump's ego. I bet that by the end of next week, Trump will try to push himself into those European negotiations, and probably with Putin's encouragement, because neither Trump nor Putin figured on a united Europe.

It is ironic that Trump spend so much time berating Z about playing cards and not being in a strong position. If Europe holds firm, then Z is in a much stronger position than Trump realizes, especially considering that so mane Americans -- even members of the Good Old Putin party -- are strongly supportive of Ukraine. 69% of REPUBLICANS support Ukraine over Putin according to WSJ.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/most-trump-supporters-also-back-ukraine-polling-russia-war-87ab141a

Bev54

(12,194 posts)
9. For the first time that I have heard, Trudeau, when asked
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 02:44 PM
Mar 1

About troops on the ground, said he was not ruling out anything.

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