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mahatmakanejeeves

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Fri Jul 4, 2025, 09:45 AM Jul 4

"Losses in service jobs sparked the first negative job growth in two years."

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Losses in service jobs sparked the first negative job growth in two years.

The Most Americans Are On Unemployment—Nearly 2 Milllion—Since Pandemic
Losses in service jobs sparked the first negative job growth in two years.
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July 4, 2025 at 6:15 AM

Losses in service jobs sparked the first negative job growth in two years.

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"Losses in service jobs sparked the first negative job growth in two years." (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 4 OP
This is at least partly due to AI. Both the sectors - "service-providing industries including education, professional highplainsdem Jul 4 #1
Oh, noesky! Unhappy people don't spend as much. Who could have guessed? /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 4 #2
"The first negative job growth in two years" progree Jul 4 #3

highplainsdem

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1. This is at least partly due to AI. Both the sectors - "service-providing industries including education, professional
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:13 AM
Jul 4

services, and finance" - and the worst-hit demographic - "young people entering the workforce after finishing college" - point to that.

Tech journalist Brian Merchant, "The AI jobs crisis is here, now," May 2, 2025:

https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/the-ai-jobs-crisis-is-here-now

It’s unclear whether these kinds of layoffs are enough to register in the economic data, though there are signs it is. Writing in the Atlantic this week, business journalist and abundist Derek Thompson points to an alarming phenomenon in the job market: The unemployment rate for recent college graduates is unusually high—and historically high in relation to the general unemployment rate. Why might that be? One theory: Firms are hiring fewer grads into white collar jobs, and using more AI. “When you think from first principles about what generative AI can do, and what jobs it can replace, it’s the kind of things that young college grads have done,” as the Harvard economist David Deming told Thompson.

Young grads are typically among the easiest to employ; they’re skilled, ambitious, and will work for cheap. Yet the recent grad-gap—the “difference between the unemployment of young college graduates and the overall labor force”—is higher than it’s been in four decades. Thompson points to the following graph, made with data from the US Census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

-see the article for the graph-

Here’s Thompson:

The strong interpretation of this graph is that it’s exactly what one would expect to see if firms replaced young workers with machines. As law firms leaned on AI for more paralegal work, and consulting firms realized that five 22-year-olds with ChatGPT could do the work of 20 recent grads, and tech firms turned over their software programming to a handful of superstars working with AI co-pilots, the entry level of America’s white-collar economy would contract.


progree

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3. "The first negative job growth in two years"
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:43 PM
Jul 4

That's according to ADP, which cover only about 20% of the nation's private workforce.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20191008a.htm

the ADP National Employment Report and ADP Small Business Report are derived from ADP payroll data representing 460,000 U.S. clients and nearly 26 million workers
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/september-2021-adp-national-employment-121500533.html
the above link is no longer good, but archive.org has it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211207005815/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/september-2021-adp-national-employment-121500533.html

How they extrapolate from 20% to the remaining 80%, I have no idea.

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The Bleet in the OP, or whatever they call BlueSky tweets, eventually links to this (I didn't encounter a paywall)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2025/07/04/the-most-americans-are-on-unemployment-nearly-2-milllion-since-pandemic/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_medium=social&utm_source=bluesky

And while jobs in some sectors, including construction, manufacturing and trade and transportation grew slightly, larger losses in the service-providing industries including education, professional services, and finance spurred negative job growth for the first time since March 2023, according to ADP’s data.
(emphasis mine)

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I ran across this, this morning, some points of interest

Fortune, 7/4/25
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/why-wall-street-got-the-jobs-number-so-wrong/ar-AA1HXKvj

Pantheon’s Samuel Tombs: “The robust headline figure ((+147k in the BLS report -Progree)) is entirely due to a massive 80K increase in state and local government payrolls, of which 64K are education jobs. … This large boost probably will unwind in July.”

Bruce Kasman et al at JPMorgan: “The June surge in state and local hiring likely reflects seasonal noise.”

Daiwa Capital Markets: “Private-sector payroll growth totaled only 74,000, only a bit more than half of the approximately 143,000 average in the prior six months and the weakest reading since last October

Progree math check: 80k + 74k = 147k? No, 154k.

ETA Oh, I figured it out:

+80k   state and local government payrolls
- 7k   federal govenment payrolls (from other sources)
+74k   private sector
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147k   headline job growth
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