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Tue Aug 12, 2025, 08:03 PM Aug 12

The U.S. Marches Toward State Capitalism With American Characteristics - Ip, WSJ

A generation ago conventional wisdom held that as China liberalized, its economy would come to resemble America’s. Instead, capitalism in America is starting to look like China. Recent examples include President Trump’s demand that Intel’s chief executive resign; the 15% of certain chip sales to China that Nvidia and Advanced Micro Devices will share with Washington; the “golden share” Washington will get in U.S. Steel as a condition of Nippon Steel’s takeover; and the $1.5 trillion of promised investment from trading partners Trump plans to personally direct. ]This isn’t socialism, in which the state owns the means of production. It is more like state capitalism, a hybrid between socialism and capitalism in which the state guides the decisions of nominally private enterprises.

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We wouldn’t be dabbling with state capitalism if not for the public’s and both parties’ belief that free-market capitalism wasn’t working. That system encouraged profit-maximizing CEOs to move production abroad. The result was a shrunken manufacturing workforce, dependence on China for vital products such as critical minerals, and underinvestment in the industries of the future such as clean energy and semiconductors.

The federal government has often waded into the corporate world. It commandeered production during World War II and, under the Defense Production Act, emergencies such as the Covid-19 pandemic. It bailed out banks and car companies during the 2007-09 financial crisis. Those, however, were temporary expedients.

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State capitalism is a means of political, not just economic, control. Xi ruthlessly deploys economic levers to crush any challenge to party primacy. In 2020, Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma, arguably the country’s most famous business leader, criticized Chinese regulators for stifling financial innovation. Retaliation was swift. Regulators canceled the initial public offering of Ma’s financial company, Ant Group, and eventually fined it $2.8 billion for anticompetitive behavior. Ma briefly disappeared from public view.

Trump has similarly deployed executive orders and regulatory powers against media companies, banks, law firms and other companies he believes oppose him, while rewarding executives who align themselves with his priorities. In Trump’s first term, CEOs routinely spoke out when they disagreed with his policies such as on immigration and trade. Now, they shower him with donations and praise, or are mostly silent.

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American democracy constrains the state through an independent judiciary, free speech, due process and the diffusion of power among multiple levels and branches of government. How far state capitalism ultimately displaces free-market capitalism in the U.S. depends on how well those checks and balances hold up.

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The U.S. Marches Toward State Capitalism With American Characteristics - Ip, WSJ (Original Post) question everything Aug 12 OP
tRump is intervening in the economy more than the cons ever thought Obama/Biden would. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 12 #1
At least it's something different than the status quo. Tim S Aug 12 #2
Except that so far Trump gains from everything. Controlling higher education, the legal system, the media question everything Aug 12 #3

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2. At least it's something different than the status quo.
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 08:37 PM
Aug 12

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. With the wealth disparity today being worse than during the robber baron days of the 1890s, something needs to be done to disrupt the billionaires from hoarding wealth at the expensive of everyone else.

I’d favor a cap on individual income of $10 million per year (including all capital gains too). If you are making more than $10 million a year then either you are making an obscene profit by ripping off others or not spending your money to keep the economy productive for everyone (more likely billionaires are doing both). Any income in excess of $10 million goes straight to treasury as income tax. Spend it or send it to Washington.

But since no politician will levy an income cap, I’m willing to see what State Capitalism will do. If done correctly, maybe it could ensure no one in America goes hungry or homeless. The traditional way out of this kind of wealth inequity is blood-in-the-streets revolution, and no sane person wants that.

At the end of a monopoly game, there’s only one winner— everyone else loses.

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3. Except that so far Trump gains from everything. Controlling higher education, the legal system, the media
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 10:01 PM
Aug 12

all the millions that they paid? Oh, yes, to his “library.”. He is the only president who did not bother to divest or at least use blind trust for his wealth. Charging visitors to his former DC hotel, and the secret service staying at his golf course and other.

We often say “tax the rich” but it does not help. I think that we need a system where the rich are forced to support inner cities schools, playgrounds, kitchens and homes for the elderly.

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