Education
Related: About this forumWe Are Watching a Scientific Superpower Destroy Itself (NYT)
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/08/opinion/universities-science-trump-china.htmlArchived: https://archive.ph/2kCaO
By Stephen Greenblatt
Mr. Greenblatt is a professor of the humanities at Harvard.
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The anxiety greatly increased in October 1957, when Americans learned of the Soviet Unions successful launch of the worlds first satellite, Sputnik 1. The vivid evidence of the technological superiority in rocketry of our Cold War enemy provoked a remarkably rapid response. In 1958, by a bipartisan vote, Congress passed and President Dwight Eisenhower signed the National Defense Education Act, one of the most consequential federal interventions in education in the nations history. Together with the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, it made America into the worlds undisputed leader in science and technology.
Nearly 70 years later, that leadership is in peril. According to the latest annual Nature Index, which tracks research institutions by their contributions to leading science journals, the single remaining U.S. institution among the top 10 is Harvard, in second place, far behind the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
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For the moment, American universities still have the enormous advantage of their resources and their autonomy, and their joyous imaginative freedom. I walk through Harvard Yard on my way to teach a freshman course on great books from Homer to Joyce, and I am continually astonished by what I see and whom I meet. There are students from all over the world from Mongolia as well as my hometown, Newton, Mass., from Athens in Ohio and Athens in Greece and there are colleagues who have been immersed in a wide range of pursuits, from creating the first image of a black hole in space to deciphering the words on a scrap of ancient papyrus. We need to get up from under our desks and persuade our fellow citizens that the institutions that they have helped create with their tax dollars are incredibly precious and important.
Opinion: Well, the "fellow citizens" who voted in the orange mandarin did so OUT OF IGNORANCE of the constitution, decency, honor and the challenge of thinking outside of the Fox Box.
Does that tell you why education is being attacked?

Blue Owl
(57,335 posts)I've lost count of the many articles over the years that whitewashed, normalized, and helped tRump and his rancid movement fail upwards over the past 10 years, resulting in the place we are at now.
House of Roberts
(6,236 posts)Even a Harvard Professor is incapable of saying the obvious: A corrupt saboteur-in-chief and his handpicked henchmen are tearing down 'a scientific superpower'.
usonian
(20,467 posts)
But China seems to be winning as a result.
Putin and Trump are chum in the bait pail. Putin at war with Ukraine and Trump at war with the USA. Hmmmm. Sounds like an OP in the works.
BoRaGard
(7,517 posts)
markodochartaigh
(4,001 posts)another Scopes Trial?
erronis
(21,261 posts)(archive.ph, archive.is)
I wanted to read the NYT piece before putting my $0.02 out there, but my first thought is that this seems very similar to how the religious idiots took us into the Dark Ages.
Recently, I've had mixed success with archive.* (except archive.org)
For a while I was getting not only the checkbox, but lots of "eye test" captchas which I hate, hate, hate.
Today, only the checkbox. I use phone, ipad, computer, icloud private relay or not, and riseup vpn at times.
(redacted) archive sites were telling me yesterday "too many downloads for this IP address" no matter which IP I had, including "bare" from the ISP. No proxy at all.
NNadir
(36,582 posts)All the news fit to distort should be their new motto.
erronis
(21,261 posts)This was quite a switch! At the founding of the American republic, the US refused to extend patent protection to foreign inventors. The inventions of foreigners would be fair game for Americans, who could follow their recipes without paying a cent, and so improve the productivity of the new nation without paying rent to old empires over the sea.
It was only once America found itself exporting as much as it imported that it saw fit to recognize the prerogatives of foreign inventors, as part of reciprocal agreements that required foreigners to seek permission and pay royalties to American patent-holders.
But by the end of the 20th Century, America's ruling class was no longer interested in exporting things; they wanted to export ideas, and receive things in return. You can see why: America has a limited supply of things, but there's an infinite supply of ideas (in theory, anyway).
There was one problem: why wouldn't the poor-but-striving nations abroad copy the American Method for successful industrialization? If ignoring Europeans' patents allowed America to become the richest and most powerful nation in the world, why wouldn't, say, China just copy all that American "IP"? If seizing foreigners' inventions without permission was good enough for Thomas Jefferson, why not Jiang Zemin?
America solved this problem with the promise of "free trade." The World Trade Organization divided the world into two blocs: countries that could trade with one another without paying tariffs, and the rabble without who had to navigate a complex O(n^2) problem of different tariff schedules between every pair of nations.
To join the WTO club, countries had to sign up to a side-treaty called the Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS). Under the TRIPS, the Jeffersonian plan for industrialization (taking foreigners' ideas without permission) was declared a one-off, a scheme only the US got to try and no other country could benefit from. For China to join the WTO and gain tariff-free access to the world's markets, it would have to agree to respect foreign patents, copyrights, trademarks and other "IP."
We know the story of what followed over the next quarter-century: China became the world's factory, and became so structurally important that even if it violated its obligations under the TRIPS, "stealing the IP" of rich nations, no one could afford to close their borders to Chinese imports, because every country except China had forgotten how to make things.
But this isn't the whole story it's not even the most important part of it. In his new book Breakneck, Dan Wang (a Chinese-born Canadian who has lived extensively in Silicon Valley and in China) devotes a key chapter to "process knowledge":
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usonian
(20,467 posts)That's why I carry small tools (relatively small) and keep the damn contractors' numbers plugged into the phone.
I remember when some company set up a new chip plant, and yield was awful. I haven't heard any more stories like that, so maybe process knowledge has advanced (and perhaps at their expense to figure out.) Details are lost in history, and I am tired of searching today.
I should follow Doctorow regularly. Too many things going on to be systematic.