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hatrack

(62,716 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:21 AM Wednesday

Oh, Thank God!!! Proposals In Motion For More Than 100 New Power Plants In TX, Because AI

If anybody was still worried about what might happen with the planet's climate, well, you can stop worrying now.

Companies plan to build more than 100 new gas-fired power plants in Texas in the next few years amid a race to meet enormous electrical demand from energy-hungry industries, according to a report released Wednesday by the Environmental Integrity Project, a Washington D.C.-based nonprofit. The projects would amount to 58,000 megawatts of new generation capacity, enough to power more than 8 million average American households, although many likely won’t move past the planning stage. The report said proposed plants in Texas aim to support data centers for artificial intelligence and other heavy industries. They would also add an estimated 115 million metric tons of greenhouse gases every year to the atmosphere–as much as nearly 27 million more gasoline-powered cars on the road.

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The research reviewed permit applications, government data, public announcements and records from Texas’ grid operator to tally 108 proposed new gas plants and 17 expansions. That includes four projects currently under construction, 33 that have received permits but haven’t broken ground and 98 that are proposed. More than 60 projects aim for completion by the end of 2028. The rapid buildout mirrors a global trend and comes as Texas authorities expect statewide power demand to nearly double by 2030, driven largely by a proliferation of advanced computing facilities.

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While natural gas burns much cleaner than coal, it still creates soot and emissions including greenhouse gases that warm the planet, nitrogen oxides that contribute to ozone formation, and known human carcinogens like benzene and formaldehyde. The Environmental Integrity Project report found, in some cases, Texas allowed developers of large gas power plants to circumvent big parts of the permit process for major pollution sources. Companies underrepresented prospective emissions in their applications and then sought “standard” permits meant for smaller facilities rather than new “major source” permits, the EIP report found. Major source permitting requires more time for public notice and comment and companies must commit to the best available emissions control technology.

One example cited by EIP: EmberGreen and EmberYork, related companies that received permits for two 900 MW gas plants in the towns of Sealy and Wharton. The permit applications represented the facilities’ emissions as below the thresholds of major pollution sources for carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and formaldehyde when assuming 3,900 hours of operation, or about 162 days, per year. However, EIP wrote, the facilities’ permits contained no requirement to limit operations to 3,900 hours per year, or to report operating hours. Likewise, a 930 MW gas plant by ENGIE in Robstown received permits as a minor source assuming 2,000 hours of annual operation. But its permit also included no limitations of operating hours. The state’s environmental regulator, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ), has routinely enabled industrial developers to avoid the requirements of major source pollution review by issuing smaller permits, according to a 2023 investigation by Inside Climate News and the Texas Tribune.

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https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11062025/texas-gas-plant-boom-ai-data-centers/

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lapfog_1

(30,976 posts)
2. the ridiculous thing is that this will not be needed
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:30 AM
Wednesday

By the time they build the new power plants, AI will not need the power.

Next gen chips will need far less power to accomplish the "math" that is involved with doing agentic AI. Unlike crypto, it has been demonstrated that "decent AI" can be done with far fewer complex math operations.

EYESORE 9001

(28,420 posts)
3. Well, that's not a comforting thought
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:39 AM
Wednesday

Companies, and now rump’s regime as well, can foist AI nonsense on us in a more energy-efficient manner.

lapfog_1

(30,976 posts)
4. much like the internet, and computing before that
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:48 AM
Wednesday

AI is a tool. Regulated and constrained, with good ( and legal ) data to feed the LLMs, it can be used to create a lot of good in the world. Unregulated and with bad data, it can be used for great harm. AI doesn't "think", it relates "facts" ( and sometimes lies ), sometimes in ways we humans cannot. That can produce the sensation that AI is thinking, but it does not think. It doesn't have original thoughts.

Hate it all you want, but it is coming ( actually here now ) and there isn't any going backward. Yes it will be disruptive. Much like assembly lines disrupted hand crafted industry over a 100 years ago.

highplainsdem

(56,692 posts)
6. Not the same. GenAI models, LLMs, work as well as they do (and they fail a lot) only because of the theft of
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 10:53 AM
Wednesday

the world's intellectual property by the AI companies. Those companies are rejecting regulation and any move away from the theft of IP, which is continuing and even accelerating.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219421175

The only way to make LLMs truly legal and ethical to use would be to scrap all current, illegally trained models and start over, using only what's in the public domain and what the AI companies have bought or licensed for training data. They aren't about to do that, for two reasons - that wouldn't be enough data for genAI to work well, and they can't afford to pay for any significant fraction of what they already stole. GenAI is an industry entirely built on theft, and in business terms it's also a con game.

https://democraticunderground.com/100220066913

It could be better compared to slavery than to the internet or pre-genAI computing.

hatrack

(62,716 posts)
9. Yes, and we must burn more coal and more gas - all of it, in fact - to power Shiny New Thing
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:18 AM
Thursday

OKIsItJustMe

(21,294 posts)
8. Years ago, I marveled that no matter how fast CPU's got, Microsoft made them run slowly
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:06 PM
Wednesday

It’s a tradition in IT to write more and more inefficient code; the Internet is run to a large degree on "scripting languages.”

I have no doubt that “AI” will use all of the power these plants generate, and more.

https://www.datacamp.com/blog/ai-programming-languages

Top 10 AI Programming Languages: A Beginner's Guide to Getting Started

Explore the world of AI programming languages in this beginner-friendly guide. Learn about the top languages, their uses in AI, main packages, the roles that rely on them and resources to get you started.

Jun 26, 2024 · 15 min read



1. Python

Python is the most popular and user-friendly programming language in the field of AI. Its clear syntax and wide range of libraries and packages make it valuable.




How much slower is Python than even C++/g++ (not noted for exceptional speed)?
https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/python3-gpp.html

werdna

(1,056 posts)
5. Well of course, as has been demonstrated over the last decade or so -
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:21 AM
Wednesday

- Texas has one of the most reliable electricity infrastructure in the Us of A. And maybe the whole, wide world!

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