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NNadir

(36,183 posts)
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 06:40 AM Wednesday

Is so called "renewable energy" actually "renewable?"

Probably not.

Risks of mineral resources in the supply of renewable energy batteries

There are actually thousands of papers along these lines concerning mineral resources for all this short lived mass intensive and land intensive junk.

This is just one among many, it just happens to be open sourced and readily available and popped up on my news feed. This one happens to center on batteries, but there are many that focus on the other junk, solar and wind.

So called "renewable energy" has done exactly nothing to address the extreme global heating we are now enduring.

The idea behind ripping the shit out of the Earth by claiming mining for "renewable energy" was "green," was never about stopping ripping the shit out of the Earth for fossil fuels. It was always about attacking the last, best, hope of the human race, nuclear energy. At that, it was successful and all of humanity, indeed all living things are paying the price for that festival of ignorance.

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Terry_M

(805 posts)
1. Feels like im reading the Epoch Times here
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 06:52 AM
Wednesday

Can you please go over point by point the connection between your last 2 paragraphs and the linked paper? I agree with your first paragraphs about there being many papers out there in general, there sure are.

Where in the paper does it talk about renewable doing nothing about heat waves and nuclear?

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,143 posts)
2. Doctrinaire positions lead to a kind of blindness. Some people delight in pointing out any negatives
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 07:14 AM
Wednesday

It's as if all non-nuclear energy is bad, bad, and nuclear has no flaws and is therefore the only solution.

In this case all "renewables" including hydroelectricity are deemed fickle and intermittent and useless without batteries to store their energy. That is of course a dim, limited, clouded view that is in some cases incorrect.

The concepts of transitioning and intermediate stages on the way to the perfect end solution (of which there are multiple possibilities) seems to escape some posters.

Terry_M

(805 posts)
3. But like the negatives from the article were not actually brought up in any way?
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 07:21 AM
Wednesday

Article in summation says:
Economic supply chains for certain rare earths are problematic in their current configuration from a supply perspective (supplies may run lower than demand)

Poster says:
Solar bad. Wind bad. Nuclear good.


Completely unrelated things. Doing what all the low quality far right BS sites do every day all day:
Here's an article...
Now here's some of my completely unrelated thoughts that have nothing to do with the article...
I know 99% of you wont click on the article and read it so I can get away with this, suckers!!

NNadir

(36,183 posts)
5. Let's parse these remarks.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 08:06 AM
Wednesday

The claim is that 99% of people don't read articles.

I certainly don't feel like I'm 1% of humanity, and I certainly do read articles, which is why my journal on this website is filled with thousands of papers referring to the primary scientific literature (and data pages like ttose at the Mauna Loa CO2 Observatory to which I often reference here. )

My feeling is that if one doesn't read articles, one is not in a position either to make assertions about the demographics of practices. Reading is the underpinning of all education. If one does not read, one may be incapable of drawing obvious inferences, for instance the relationship between material costs and sustainability.

I read, pretty much six to ten hours a day. I'm not reading comic books. Most of my reading is involved with high level academic research, heavily weighted to the physical sciences.

ms liberty

(10,400 posts)
6. You've summarized the OP perfectly here
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:40 AM
Wednesday

"Poster says:
Solar bad. Wind bad. Nuclear good."

It's kinda his thing.

NNadir

(36,183 posts)
4. That is precisely my opinion. The only form of primary...
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 07:48 AM
Wednesday

...energy that is acceptable is nuclear energy.

I am not going to apologize for that position especially to people who seem not to have noticed that all of these reactionary "intermediate stages" have left the fucking planet in flames.

Of course there are "some posters" who seem to have not noticed that the world is burning up. I don't find them especially perspicacious.

Terry_M

(805 posts)
7. What does the paper you linked have to do with this claim?
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:41 AM
Wednesday

The implication you make is that the paper supports your claims.

My conclusion is that the paper you linked is completely irrelevant to your claims. My conclusion is you injected the paper to create a false sense of outside empirical support to your claims.

hunter

(39,665 posts)
9. Well, that was alarming. If unbridled faith in "renewable" energy destabilizes China...
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 04:46 PM
Wednesday

... there will be hell to pay worldwide.

I do note that one possible solution to this problem proposed in the conclusion of the paper is, to borrow your phrase, further rip the shit out of the Earth.

NNadir

(36,183 posts)
10. China is decades ahead of everyone in nuclear reactor construction.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 05:04 PM
Wednesday

The reactors they are building fast, on time, and on budget will all be operating when all their wind and solar junk will have been landfill for half a century.

John ONeill

(78 posts)
11. Chinese uranium
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 03:39 AM
Friday

China's just announced the production of their first barrel of uranium mined with In Situ Leach mining using oxygen and carbon dioxide - probably the most environmentally unobtrusive way of mining the world's least environmentally damaging fuel. Over 50% of uranium already comes from ISL, but till now acid or sodium bicarbonate was used. Just a few boreholes down to the ore body. In contrast, open cast coal mining rips the whole overburden off the coal seam, creating huge volumes of waste even before shipping and burning the coal. Coal is, of course, the main power source for making the polysilicon used in solar panels, of which China is the dominant supplier.

NNadir

(36,183 posts)
12. I have argued that the uranium already mined is sufficient to supply the world energy needs for centuries.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 07:36 AM
Friday

Last edited Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:44 PM - Edit history (1)

This, of course, is dependent on building fast spectrum reactors for which the time has clearly come.

I do plan to write here a post here on the advantages of multiple cycled uranium commenting on a technical article I came across which embraces an idea that I expressed more than 10 years ago on Rod Adams website, not that my commentary was original or new then.

On Plutonium, Nuclear War, and Nuclear Peace

It is also important to use all of the transuranium actinides as fuel. I am writing a piece for my son to think about in his career on the wonderful properties of americium as a fuel, necessarily in the fast neutron spectrum. It will have as fertile nuclei once, twice or x times through uranium with thorium. It's a "breed and burn" "CANDLE" which Bill Gates company, Terrapower, has rebranded as a "Traveling Wave" reactor.

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