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NNadir

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Fri Aug 22, 2025, 05:53 PM Friday

Unable to Afford Platinum for Its Fuel Cells, Alstom Switches Its Trains From Hydrogen Back to Diesel.

Hydrogen Mobility vs. Platinum Reality By Michael Barnard, CleanTechnica. August 18, 2025.

Last Updated on: 18th August 2025, 11:38 am

Alstom’s hydrogen train experiment has hit the buffers again, with operators in Germany reverting to diesel because replacement fuel cells are not available. Only four of the 14 Coradia trains Lower Saxony purchased are in operation. It is tempting to dismiss this as a simple supply chain hiccup, but the problem runs deeper. Following the thread back reveals not only the weakness of hydrogen in transportation but also a structural material constraint that makes it even less viable.

The Coradia iLint trains were always meant to be a flagship for hydrogen mobility. They use fuel cells supplied by Cummins, built out of its Hydrogenics legacy in Canada and Europe. Each train carries two modules rated at about 200 kW each. Fuel cells of that scale require 0.4 to 0.6 grams of platinum per kilowatt to achieve the durability demanded in rail service. That works out to about 0.2 kg of platinum per train. At today’s prices, that costs about $8,700, around 5% of the cost of the fuel cell. It sounds small until you set it against global production.

At the heart of every PEM fuel cell sits a thin membrane coated with platinum, and its role is both simple and irreplaceable. Platinum acts as the catalyst that splits incoming hydrogen molecules into protons and electrons. The protons migrate through the membrane while the electrons are forced around an external circuit, producing usable electricity. On the other side of the membrane, platinum again makes the reaction possible by speeding up the sluggish process of combining oxygen, protons, and electrons into water. These two reactions are fundamental to the device, and platinum’s unique surface chemistry allows them to happen at practical rates and with the necessary durability. Without platinum, the cell either fails to run efficiently or falls apart too quickly. That catalytic function is why every gram of platinum in a fuel cell stack is indispensable, and why fuel cells cannot escape their dependence on a scarce and volatile metal.

The platinum market produces about 250 to 280 tons per year. Roughly a third goes into automotive catalysts, primarily for diesel cars and trucks...


The fossil fuel industry has been so successful at rebranding fossil fuels - from which hydrogen is overwhelmingly made by steam reformation of dangerous natural gas, dangerous petroleum, and, in China, largely steam reformation of coal - as "green hydrogen" that there are probably people who think this unfortunate.

It isn't.

The steam reformation of fossil fuels to make hydrogen destroys exergy, the useful work that can be recovered from the consumption of fossil fuels. The manufacture of hydrogen, despite all of the slick dishonest advertising here and elsewhere (Exxon loves to produce "low carbon hydrogen" ads although their process hasn't significantly changed for half a century), is a dirty process, responsible to as much as 3% of annual carbon emissions.

As for platinum, I'm sure you can read about "platinum free" fuel cell "breakthroughs" from there to here to eternity, but platinum has been the core of fuel cells going back to the days they first were prominently used on the Apollo moon landings more than half a century ago. Lots of amusing papers along these lines are published describing bench top chemistry, cheered wildly by our most credulous friends.

All this said, the Germans switched to diesel, probably a good thing, because, although diesel is filthy, hydrogen is even more dirty.

Have a pleasant weekend.
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Unable to Afford Platinum for Its Fuel Cells, Alstom Switches Its Trains From Hydrogen Back to Diesel. (Original Post) NNadir Friday OP
This Shit Would Not Be a Problem With Alkaline Fuel Cells MrWowWow Friday #1
Allis-Chalmers built an alkaline fuel cell powered tractor in 1959. hunter Friday #2
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MrWowWow

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1. This Shit Would Not Be a Problem With Alkaline Fuel Cells
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 06:10 PM
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Last edited Sat Aug 23, 2025, 12:23 PM - Edit history (3)

That's a fact Jack!


Alkaline fuel cells (AFCs) typically use much less platinum catalyst than proton exchange membrane (PEM) fuel cells


Typical catalyst loading

PEMFCs: usually require 0.2–0.4 mg Pt/cm² (sometimes higher in older designs).

AFCs: can run at 0–0.05 mg Pt/cm², or even eliminate platinum entirely if using silver or transition-metal oxides as catalysts.


3. Cost implication

This difference in platinum loading makes AFCs significantly cheaper from a materials standpoint, since platinum is one of the biggest cost drivers in PEM fuel cells.


for the same power and H₂ input, expect:

Stack BOM: alkaline ~0.7–0.8× PEM.

System BOM: alkaline ~0.8–0.9× PEM (application- and lifetime-dependent).

hunter

(39,810 posts)
2. Allis-Chalmers built an alkaline fuel cell powered tractor in 1959.
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 10:15 PM
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The Apollo missions and the Space Shuttle used Alkaline fuel cells.



If there really is some kind of "new and improved" alkaline fuel cell that doesn't use platinum I'm certain it will be taking over the market soon. But I'm not holding my breath.

In any case, hydrogen is a wretched fuel for a lot of reasons. This train experiment was doomed from the start.

https://www.si.edu/object/allis-chalmers-fuel-cell-tractor:nmah_687671

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