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hatrack

(63,537 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 05:41 AM Thursday

Solar Farm On Private Land Would Have Generated $1M/Year For Dying SD Town, But Hurr-Durr Libtard!! Won, So Nope

Ed. - Gosh, I feel totally owned - how about you?

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“Unless you’re a farmer, a hunter or a fisher, there’s really nothing to do in this area,” said Colton Berens, a 33-year-old US army veteran and fourth-generation farmer. As a result, not many people his age stick around. However, when Doral Renewables, an Israeli-owned energy company, contacted his family in 2022 with a proposal to build a 3,200-acre (1,295-hectare) solar array on the Berens’ property, Colton saw a chance for his family to benefit – as well as an opportunity to breathe life into his “dying” community. The Berens’ solar project would have generated about $1m in annual tax revenue that would have been split between the county and its school for 35 years – money that could have gone a long way toward solving some of these challenges. During negotiations with his family over the use of its land, Berens said, Doral also agreed to upgrade the rugged gravel roads its crews would use during construction and to plant native grasses under the panels that could provide fodder for sheep.

“We made people aware of all that in a public meeting,” said Deb Kahl, Walworth county’s deputy auditor. But once news of the proposal spread, what the family believed to be its private business became a heated, county-wide argument that ultimately killed the promise of solar in Walworth county. In this, the Berenses were not alone.

Since the Inflation Reduction Act passed in 2022, Republican districts across the country have received about $200bn in clean energy investment. And yet many red communities have also joined a rising tide of resistance against the growth of clean energy, driven by ideological resentment for its inclusion in the liberal agenda. By the end of 2024, according to researchers at Columbia Law School, at least 459 counties and municipalities across 44 states had severely restricted renewable energy through things like buffer requirements, fees and bans that limit what their neighbors can do with their land. This is a 16% increase in such restrictions over the previous year.

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South Dakota’s Public Utilities Commission will not permit a project unless it follows local rules, and since Walworth did not have a local ordinance to regulate utility-scale solar when Doral arrived, the Berens’ project was delayed while county commissioners drafted a law to determine how and where an installation could be built. Dozens of farmers, teachers, fishing guides, moms and grandparents turned out to public hearings to voice their opinions. While some supported the project, a vocal opposition won out – complaining that such a large installation would visually mar the agrarian landscape and relying heavily on alarming misinformation and talking points spread by rightwing activists with roots in the oil and gas industry. In late 2024, the county adopted an ordinance that requires solar panels be at least 1 mile from any occupied dwelling and 1,000 ft from a property line. These restrictions, which are stricter than the state’s regulations, not only quashed the Berens’ project, but stamped out almost any hope that utility-scale solar could bring this economically depressed community in the future. The new law limits the county’s economic development prospects, Kahl said. “We’re probably not going to get anything except wind or solar” since Walworth does nothave enough employable residents to lure other industries with higher human resource needs. For Colton, who feels that his family’s right to develop its own land was violated, it was a shattering blow. “It left a bad taste in my mouth for the whole area,” he said.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/10/south-dakota-solar-energy

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eppur_se_muova

(39,980 posts)
1. "visually mar the agrarian landscape" ... the aesthetic appeal of kiloacre factory farms & ranches is what now ??
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 07:34 AM
Thursday

Certainly not the native wildlife which is driven out of the area to prevent the slightest possibility that corn, wheat, or cattle will be less than maximally "productive".

NNadir

(36,580 posts)
2. The solar facility would not generate tax revenue for 35 years.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:05 AM
Thursday

It is unlikely the solar cells would have lasted that long. What is more likely is that the town would have died anyway. With the solar farm there the resulting prairie would be littered with glass and metals.

If there is water there - there may not be - for part of the year it will come down as snow. If there isn't water there will be dust.

The oil and gas industry would lose nothing to a solar farm, since so called "renewable energy" depends heavily on access to fossil fuels. Neither Germany nor California could keep the lights on without gas or, in Germany's case coal.

It is a pernicious myth that on our end of the political spectrum that whenever the building of a so called "renewable energy" facility is not built, it is a tragedy. This myth is connected with the belief that this stuff has something to do with addressing extreme global heating. There is no evidence of this. On the contrary, in the quarter century since this myth was embraced, the degradation of the planetary atmosphere has accelerated and reached the highest rate ever observed. The data is appalling. It may be time for many of us to wake up. The planet is burning. Doing what we have been doing is unacceptable because it is unambiguously futile.

Finishline42

(1,154 posts)
5. Your agenda is blinding you to the facts
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:05 PM
Friday

There are 5 solar installations in Switzerland that are still producing after 30 years.

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/30-year-old-solar-panels-still-going-strong/4022052.article

Solar panels lose less than 0.5% a year which is why the warranty for a good quality panel is 80% output after 25 years.

For a commercial solar farm there would come a point where they would be replaced. It's after they have been fully depreciated and new technology (just like flat screen TV's - they are on a constant improvement cycle) makes that investment a no brainer. It would be really simple - unlike upgrading a wind farm - because new panels would probably be the same size. New windmills are bigger so the spacing would be different.

edited to add:

From asking Google -
specs from solar panels from 30 years ago

Solar panels from 30 years ago, circa the early 1990s, typically had lower efficiency ratings, around 14-15%, and lower wattage, with panels often in the range of 150-200 watts or less, compared to modern 22-24% efficient, 400-500+ watt panels. While still reliable and capable of functioning, their performance degradation rate was around 0.5-0.8% annually, and their higher cost per watt compared to today's panels made them a significant investment.

NNadir

(36,580 posts)
7. The solar crap in Switzerland is covered with snow for half the year. As for "facts," let me guess,...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 03:47 AM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:42 AM - Edit history (1)

...are you claiming that the trillions of dollars spent on solar and wind junk prevented the rise in the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel by 56.53 ppm (as of the week beginning August 31, 2025) since January 1, 2000 to 425.23 ppm?

The purpose of the solar industry has never been about environmental issues. As demonstrated with this crap about the efficiency of solar junk - which has done nothing to address extreme global heating - and replacing it regularly while building fossil fuel plants to back it up when, as is widely reported, an event called "night" takes place, the "fact" about which apologists for wind and solar couldn't care less is this one: The planet is burning.

The sole reason that all this solar hype continues is solely and wholly to attack the only scalable reliable high capacity utilization carbon free form of energy there is, nuclear energy. The Germans didn't shut their fucking coal plants. They embraced them. They shut their nuclear plants. QED for the real purpose of the fossil fuel dependent solar and wind junk.

If the result was not a burning planet, I would be amused by a solar and wind apologist - who are all, to my mind, fossil fuel apologists - appealing to "facts." But, again, in case anyone missed this fact the first time I mentioned in this post, the planet is burning.

Despite trillions thrown at so called "renewable energy" in this environmentally disastrous century, the rate of increases in carbon dioxide has reached 26.40 ppm/10 years, compared to 15.26 ppm/10 years in the week beginning January 2, 2000 based on a 52 week running average of the data at the Mauna Loa CO2 Observatory.

How do I know?

I know, because for many years, I have been keeping a spreadsheet of this data, because the collapse of the planetary atmosphere is a fact about which I give a shit, even if solar and wind apologists couldn't care less.

To wit, from the spreadsheet:





The first four columns represent the beginning date of the data collection. The 5th column is the reading for that week, the 6th the number of days in that week the data was analytically acceptable, the 7th, the reading from the same week of the previous year, the 8th, the reading from 10 years earlier, the 9th, the increase since 1800, and the remaining columns are calculations from formulas I add, including increases over the data from ten years before which is the 3rd to last column on the left. The colors represent the fact that at the time of the weekly entry, the 10 year comparator was in the top 50 of all time out of well more than 2000 such data points. All but 11 weeks in the year 2024 and 2025 out of 87 recorded thus far, met this criteria The last column is the 52 week running average of ten year increases, now at 26.40 ppm/10 years, the highest such average ever recorded.

Give a shit? No? Why am I not surprised?

These numbers are "facts," facts about which I care, even if apologists for the useless solar and wind industry couldn't give a flying fuck about them. Their interest, again their sole interest, is to attack nuclear energy.

As for Switzerland, the glaciers that drive their hydroelectric plants, and provide much of Europe's water supply are disappearing, a fact about which solar apologists couldn't care less apparently. Switzerland was planning to join Germany in ignoring the collapsing planetary atmosphere and closing its nuclear plants.

Last year, waking up at long last to the fact that antinukism is a key reason behind the collapse of the planetary atmosphere, and the fact that Switzerland, like every fucking country on Earth faces disaster because of antinukism, reversed its antinuclear stance:

Switzerland moves to remove ban on new reactors.

It is far too late for the world to address to save much of what is left to save by shrugging off antinuke stupidity. The time to have done that was nearly half a century ago. Nevertheless, some people are waking up. It's too little. It's too late. But indeed the world is waking up from a very bad hangover, one that may prove fatal.

As for facts, it is very, very, very, very, very clear that antinuke attention to "facts" is wholly and totally devoted to selective attention. These assholes are still carrying on about Fukushima, Chernobyl, and even Three Mile Island. They couldn't give a fuck about the hundreds of millions of people who died from air pollution since the latter, in 1978, even though Harrisburg - through which I sometimes drive - is still there.

The solar and wind industries are useless, mass intensive, land intensive, unsustainable, and are an artifact of the embrace of extreme ignorance, a reactionary effort to return to dependence on the weather for energy that was abandoned, for a reason beginning in the 19th century.

Have a swell weekend.

Finishline42

(1,154 posts)
8. Jeez Louise...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:37 AM
Saturday

All that effort when all I did was refuted your principle claim...

The solar facility would not generate tax revenue for 35 years

There's ample evidence that they do last that long - but I could see replacing them early when as I said they were fully depreciated tax wise and a newer panel the same size offered more output. They could maybe even sell or donate the old panels to a church or charity.

Companies do that all the time when it makes them money. My local utility has changed hands three times. The last time PPL bought them. There is a small hydro dam nearby and they replaced older functioning turbines with newer more efficient ones. The investment in the upgrade made $en$e.

Did you miss this part?

plant native grasses under the panels that could provide fodder for sheep

It's called agrivoltaics and it would be helpful in arid lands to shade crops and actually provide moisture from the condensation on the panels.

NNadir

(36,580 posts)
9. Really? I should feel "refuted." I might better describe my state of affairs as either "amused" or "appalled."
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 09:28 PM
Saturday

Either will apply. I certainly don't feel "refuted" by pointing out the fact that the trillion dollars spent on solar energy has not a fucking thing to do with ameliorating the destruction of the planetary atmosphere, and therefore there is no good reason to build them, particularly if the money is better spent on reliable and infinitely scalable carbon free systems, of which there is only one example, nuclear energy.

If I've changed the subject from blather about the efficiency of solar cells to one that matters, I have no inclination to apologize.

The point is that handwaving about solar cells in Switzerland, having no legitimate reference to support the claim, or a exhibiting a shred of insight to the fact that the degradation of solar cells is connected with the time they are exposed to sunlight, and temperatures, and if they are under snow for half a year, they can appear to have a longer life because they are protected from, um, light, which causes degradation.

I recognize that the following recent paper on the topic involves science, for which antinukes hold contempt, but I'll link it anyway, as it shows the degradation pathways connected with 90% of the solar junk that's accumulated uselessly, silicon based solar cells:

Eshetu Tadesse Ymer, Hirpa Gelgele Lemu, Mesay Alemu Tolcha, Identification of the key material degradation mechanisms affecting silicon solar cells: Systematic literature review, Results in Engineering, Volume 27, 2025, 106113,

From the abstract:

This literature review systematically identifies the primary material degradation mechanisms impacting silicon-based solar cells, which constitute over 90% of the global photovoltaic (PV) market. The study addresses the critical challenge of reduced solar cell performance and lifespan, driven by environmental and operational stressors, which subsequently diminish the efficiency and economic viability of solar energy systems. Employing a rigorous methodology structured on the PRISMA framework, we analyzed 181 peer-reviewed articles published between 2015 and 2024 to comprehensively evaluate various degradation pathways. Findings highlight that the degradation rate of silicon solar cells is highly sensitive to geographical location and climatic factors. Environmental elements are identified as major contributors to power output degradation, with observed annual losses ranging from 1.8% to 2% in hot-humid regions, notably higher than the approximately 0.3% reported in temperate zones. Specific degradation mechanisms include Potential-Induced Degradation, which can cause up to 30% efficiency loss by reducing short-circuit current density and open-circuit voltage, and Light-Induced Degradation, contributing up to 10% efficiency reduction. Dust accumulation is also a critical contributor to performance degradation, causing an average power loss of 1.27% per g/m2 and potentially leading to further issues such as encapsulant discoloration, corrosion of electrical contacts, and the development of thermal hotspots...


The authors are Norwegian and African. They suggest the point that solar cells may last longer - albeit with lower capacity utilization in one climatic region and less well in another.

But of course, no antinuke is ashamed of cherry picking.

Fossil fuel coddling antinukes are in general, poorly read, and when they try to read, they don't do very well.

Here's a cute paper that an antinuke, given their indifference and poor educations, might think they can "refute" reality, published a little over a month ago:

Caixia Li, Feng Dong, Victor Nian, Global photovoltaic waste under ratcheting climate ambition: Spatio-temporal distribution and future pathways, Resources, Conservation and Recycling, Volume 221, 2025, 108388,

From the introduction:

Although the development of solar photovoltaic (PV) technology is regarded as the main choice for the transition of clean energy, the challenges brought by subsequent wastes cannot be underestimated (Xia et al., 2023). Currently, the PV modules installed around 2010 will soon reach their 25-to 30-year lifespan. By then, a huge amount of emerging waste will be generated (Nain and Anctil, 2024). The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) has confirmed this trend in its reports. By 2030, the global volume of solar waste is projected to reach between 1.7 million and 8 million tons (MT). By 2050, this figure is expected to soar to between 60 and 78 MT (IRENA and IEA-PVPS, 2016). Taking China as an example, by 2040, the cumulative scale of retired solar modules is projected to reach 250 GW (Xia et al., 2023). The decommissioning volume from historical PV installations (2010–2020) is relatively fixed.


I'm sorry that antinukes are incapable of understanding the basics of the useless solar industry - which despite the abstract above, including the parts in both articles with which I disagree, the claim that accumulating solar junk all over the planet has anything at all to do with addressing climate issues.

It doesn't.

Let's be clear, solar waste is distributed waste, not centralized and not easily recovered and where it is recovered, um, fossil fuel powered trucks are used, and where recovery is of no interest, are left to rot in place otherwise.

There is therefore, no justifiable reason to build mass intensive, land intensive, short lived solar junk.

I'm sorry to report that antinukes miss the part where I claim that issues in energy technology should be connected with environmental value, as opposed to bourgeois affectations.

Got it?

No?

Why am I not surprised?

I have yet to meet or hear from one antinuke here or elsewhere that they give a rat's ass about the state of the planetary atmosphere. In general, pointing to this subject about which any energy conversation should be about, in my view, if not theirs offends them somehow. Nevertheless it is an issue in, um, "Energy and the Environment" in which I believe, even if antinukes are ethically, and intellectually incompetent to grasp as much, are related.

I have yet to hear from a single one of them a single verifiable reason why solar cells should be manufactured, since they have no financial, health, environmental or climate value. None. Zero. Zip.

I trust your having a pleasant weekend.

hunter

(39,896 posts)
4. This is a county of 5,300 people.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 03:28 PM
Thursday

Why do such counties even exist?

The neighborhood where I live has more people than that.

Politics in such counties are indistinguishable from family feuds. Whatever grudge the Good Old Boys running Walworth County have against "fourth generation farmer" Colton Berens might be anything. Solar being too woke is just one of many possibilities.

BTW, and probably besides the point, 50% of the electricity in this region comes from coal.

Finishline42

(1,154 posts)
6. My guess is that its mainly jealousy
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:07 PM
Friday

He would make more money off the solar panels than they would by farming

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