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https://www.unige.ch/medias/en/2026/lia-demunie-pour-predire-les-phenomenes-meteorologiques-extremesPublished on 4 May 2026
A team from UNIGE and the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology has shown that traditional weather forecasting models remain more reliable than AI in predicting extreme weather events.
Record-breaking heatwaves, torrential rainfall and supercell thunderstorms: extreme events are intensifying under the influence of climate change, with major human and economic consequences. Artificial intelligence models are revolutionizing weather forecasting. But can they anticipate such exceptional events? A team from the University of Geneva (UNIGE) and the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) shows that, to date, traditional numerical models remain more reliable for predicting extreme phenomena, even though AI models outperform them under typical conditions. These findings are published in Science Advances.
To forecast the weather in the coming days or weeks, meteorologists rely on simulations generated by complex mathematical models. Powered by vast amounts of datacollected from weather stations, satellites, and aircraftthese models apply the laws of physics to simulate the future state of the atmosphere. The European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts, for instance, uses a model known as the High Resolution Forecast, or HRES, to provide simulations to 35 countries across the continent.
While this method is reliable and robust, it is also costly and energy-intensive, as it requires extensive supercomputing infrastructure capable of solving millions of equations several times a day. The introduction, three years ago, of the first models based on artificial intelligence, alongside the traditional numerical approach, has opened the way to simplifying processes and reducing their costs, explains Sebastian Engelke, full professor at the Research Institute for Statistics and Information Science at the UNIGE Geneva School of Economics and Management (GSEM).
But is this AI-based approach capable of predicting the occurrence of often unprecedented extreme events up to ten days in advance? In a recent study, Sebastian Engelke'steam shows that AI outperforms traditional modelsspecifically HRESwhen forecasting typical conditions, but consistently makes larger errors than HRES when predicting the intensity and frequency of extreme temperatures and winds.
Zhongwei Zhang et al. ,Physics-based models outperform AI weather forecasts of record-breaking extremes.Sci. Adv.12,eaec1433(2026).DOI:10.1126/sciadv.aec1433A team from UNIGE and the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology has shown that traditional weather forecasting models remain more reliable than AI in predicting extreme weather events.
Record-breaking heatwaves, torrential rainfall and supercell thunderstorms: extreme events are intensifying under the influence of climate change, with major human and economic consequences. Artificial intelligence models are revolutionizing weather forecasting. But can they anticipate such exceptional events? A team from the University of Geneva (UNIGE) and the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) shows that, to date, traditional numerical models remain more reliable for predicting extreme phenomena, even though AI models outperform them under typical conditions. These findings are published in Science Advances.
To forecast the weather in the coming days or weeks, meteorologists rely on simulations generated by complex mathematical models. Powered by vast amounts of datacollected from weather stations, satellites, and aircraftthese models apply the laws of physics to simulate the future state of the atmosphere. The European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts, for instance, uses a model known as the High Resolution Forecast, or HRES, to provide simulations to 35 countries across the continent.
While this method is reliable and robust, it is also costly and energy-intensive, as it requires extensive supercomputing infrastructure capable of solving millions of equations several times a day. The introduction, three years ago, of the first models based on artificial intelligence, alongside the traditional numerical approach, has opened the way to simplifying processes and reducing their costs, explains Sebastian Engelke, full professor at the Research Institute for Statistics and Information Science at the UNIGE Geneva School of Economics and Management (GSEM).
But is this AI-based approach capable of predicting the occurrence of often unprecedented extreme events up to ten days in advance? In a recent study, Sebastian Engelke'steam shows that AI outperforms traditional modelsspecifically HRESwhen forecasting typical conditions, but consistently makes larger errors than HRES when predicting the intensity and frequency of extreme temperatures and winds.
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AI falls short in predicting weather extremes (Original Post)
OKIsItJustMe
6 hrs ago
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ultralite001
(2,640 posts)1. Current AI weather models suck...
More power to the talented weather professionals who work so hard to keep Americans safe...
OKIsItJustMe
(22,006 posts)2. A friend-of-a-friend is a meteorologist for the National Weather Service
His office hasnt been closed
yet
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doge-elon-musk-job-cuts-weather-forecasters-b2706422.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/nws-rehire-workers-deep-doge-cuts-rcna223684
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5843925-nws-national-weather-service/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doge-elon-musk-job-cuts-weather-forecasters-b2706422.html
Elon Musks DOGE homes in on new target: Weather forecasters
The cuts will endanger American lives, lawmaker says
Seth Borenstein
Friday 28 February 2025 14:22 GMT
Hundreds of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) employees, including weather forecasters, have had their jobs terminated, according to lawmakers and weather experts.
Remaining federal workers reported that the layoffs included meteorologists vital to local forecasting at National Weather Service offices nationwide.
Craig McLean, a former NOAA chief scientist, said that the cuts occurred in two phases, one of 500 and another of 800, based on information from a source with direct knowledge.
This accounts for approximately 10 per cent of NOAAs total workforce.
The cuts will endanger American lives, lawmaker says
Seth Borenstein
Friday 28 February 2025 14:22 GMT
Hundreds of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) employees, including weather forecasters, have had their jobs terminated, according to lawmakers and weather experts.
Remaining federal workers reported that the layoffs included meteorologists vital to local forecasting at National Weather Service offices nationwide.
Craig McLean, a former NOAA chief scientist, said that the cuts occurred in two phases, one of 500 and another of 800, based on information from a source with direct knowledge.
This accounts for approximately 10 per cent of NOAAs total workforce.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/nws-rehire-workers-deep-doge-cuts-rcna223684
NWS to rehire workers after deep DOGE cuts
NOAA and the NWS weren't immune to the DOGE cuts of the second Trump administration's early months, which included the firing, rehiring and refiring of some workers.
Aug. 7, 2025, 5:21 PM EDT
By Chase Cain
The Trump administration is planning to undo most of the cuts to the National Weather Service put in place earlier this year by the Department of Government Efficiency.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has received permission to fill 450 positions at the National Weather Service, roles that will include meteorologists, hydrologists and radar technicians, according to Reps. Eric Sorensen, D-Ill., and Mike Flood, R-Neb.
The move to rehire for those positions, which was first reported by CNN, comes after a summer of deadly, extreme weather that put cuts to NWS under particular scrutiny, with many politicians in both parties pushing to undo the cuts.
One government official told NBC News that NWS staff believe the Texas floods that killed more than 130 people and sparked questions about NWS forecasts strengthened the case for the agency to rehire hundreds of front-line and mission critical staff. This official spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss personnel matters.
NOAA and the NWS weren't immune to the DOGE cuts of the second Trump administration's early months, which included the firing, rehiring and refiring of some workers.
Aug. 7, 2025, 5:21 PM EDT
By Chase Cain
The Trump administration is planning to undo most of the cuts to the National Weather Service put in place earlier this year by the Department of Government Efficiency.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has received permission to fill 450 positions at the National Weather Service, roles that will include meteorologists, hydrologists and radar technicians, according to Reps. Eric Sorensen, D-Ill., and Mike Flood, R-Neb.
The move to rehire for those positions, which was first reported by CNN, comes after a summer of deadly, extreme weather that put cuts to NWS under particular scrutiny, with many politicians in both parties pushing to undo the cuts.
One government official told NBC News that NWS staff believe the Texas floods that killed more than 130 people and sparked questions about NWS forecasts strengthened the case for the agency to rehire hundreds of front-line and mission critical staff. This official spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss personnel matters.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5843925-nws-national-weather-service/
Changes loom for National Weather Service as union official warns of potential staff cuts
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BY RACHEL FRAZIN - 04/22/26 6:02 PM ET
The Trump administration is reorganizing the National Weather Service (NWS) and making changes to forecasting, while a key union representative warns the reorganization could involve potential staff cuts.
Federal employees at the NWSs Weather Forecast Offices, which provide people with local forecasts and severe weather warnings, have learned about impending changes to their baseline staffing levels as part of the transformation coming to the weather service, said Tom Fahy, legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization (NWSEO).
While the administration acknowledged that it is undergoing a reorganization, it denies that the weather service faces staff cuts.
There are no staff cuts planned at NWS. In fact, we are hiring, NWS spokesperson Erica Grow Cei said in an email.
Comments:
BY RACHEL FRAZIN - 04/22/26 6:02 PM ET
The Trump administration is reorganizing the National Weather Service (NWS) and making changes to forecasting, while a key union representative warns the reorganization could involve potential staff cuts.
Federal employees at the NWSs Weather Forecast Offices, which provide people with local forecasts and severe weather warnings, have learned about impending changes to their baseline staffing levels as part of the transformation coming to the weather service, said Tom Fahy, legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization (NWSEO).
While the administration acknowledged that it is undergoing a reorganization, it denies that the weather service faces staff cuts.
There are no staff cuts planned at NWS. In fact, we are hiring, NWS spokesperson Erica Grow Cei said in an email.